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and good morning from Philadelphia Frank

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here another during the week edition of

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UFO and and Sunday we've got a special

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guest with us today and I will not waste

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any time we'll get right down to it pass

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things over to my coast for today chant

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Hannah chant good morning to you I'm

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getting a little confused sometimes

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about whether we're doing this in the

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morning or the afternoon but today it's

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still morning here in the east anyway

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and how are you and why don't you

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introduce our special guest for today

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oh good morning Frank everything's going

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really well thank you for asking

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we have an incredible guest on today

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it's Sheryl Costa

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she's an upstate New York resident and a

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New York native who saw her first UFO at

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age 12 she's a veteran of two military

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services Air Force and the Navy she's a

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retired information security

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professional from the aerospace industry

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since 2013 Sheryl has written the wildly

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popular UFO column New York skies for

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Syracuse New Times in March 2017 Sheryl

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and co-author Linda Miller Costa

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released their UFO statistic books book

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UFO sightings desk referenced United

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States of America 2001 through 2015

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their book presents data and analysis

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trends for 121,000 USA UFO sighting

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reports between 2001 and 2015 cheryl was

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named researcher of the year at the 2018

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international UFO congress she holds a

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Bachelor of Arts degree from the State

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University of New York at Empire State

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College welcome Cheryl alright it's so

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nice to have you with us well it's a

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delight to be here congratulations on

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the researcher of the Year award - I was

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just gonna congratulate her on that that

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was a surprise you know and it was funny

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because when I saw my picture go up

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there when they were talking about the

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announcement you know at the big banquet

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yeah UFOs the International UFO Congress

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I bought crawled in at the table because

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I would have worn a completely different

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outfit right well Cheryl I wanted to ask

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you something kind of personal if that's

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okay and it would I would like to cover

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the topic of your being transgender okay

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no well I just wanted to know if you

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wouldn't mind sharing a little bit about

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yourself regarding that subject

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well the kind of questions I get did it

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hurt yes it hurt trust me it did oh yeah

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they gave me a lot of really good

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medication for that Oh from an early age

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this is typical of trans persons from an

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early age you know you're there's

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something issues there's an issue is how

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identified how they functioned of people

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in my family treated me they didn't put

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me in dresses or anything but they they

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gave me the kind of what's the term that

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the leave they gave me the kind of space

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they might give one of my cousins

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because they realized that if I went to

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the movies with the cousins and that we

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were watching Old Yeller or something I

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was the one over there with the little

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girls crying my eyes out you know and

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they they always knew I was a soft touch

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and and I dealt with that for many years

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and then I had to get to the bottom of

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it I began reading in the city library

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when I was in junior high school and one

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night there used to be a television

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program on out of a New York channel

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called the Merv Griffin Show

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and one night he had Christine Jorgensen

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who was like one of the first she was

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one of the early trans people back in

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the 30s 40s timeframe and she used the

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big 25 cent word transsexual mmm-hmm

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okay and with that word I went and

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started doing research and look up at

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the library I was kind of a

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scientifically oriented kid and I

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started researching this and I got books

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through inner

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library loan I mean I knew even at

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eighth and ninth grade I knew how to

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exercise the library system and I got a

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ton of books and probably by the time I

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got out of high school I was better

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better read and most doctors on the

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topic matter and I this was in the case

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of self diagnosis it was just an

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understanding that I wasn't one alone -

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I think I think this might be the

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situation with me and then many years

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later let's see probably about other ten

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years later I had already served in

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Vietnam I was in the Navy and it was

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really becoming an issue for me at an

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emotional level and I drove 5060 miles

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out of town under an assumed name and I

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went to a clinic and I got screened and

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the diagnosis came back I didn't tell

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them what I thought I was the diagnosis

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came back that I was a trans person and

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and then I was saddled with that

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knowledge and that monkeying there for a

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number of years and then much later in

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the 80s I just couldn't have and I

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couldn't deal with it anymore

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and I had to deal with I had to do

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something so I got myself into therapy

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this is about 86 timeframe and with some

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with a therapist who was well versed in

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the topic matter he was a six ologist

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and he was connected with Hopkins John

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Hopkins University and you know we took

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it a step at a time

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and the pushback I had from family and

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friends amounted to well she's confused

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she doesn't know what she wants okay and

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well okay fine great but the bottom line

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on this whole thing at that point was

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they kept saying well you know if you do

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surgery on her she'll think it's the

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wrong thing so one of the things we

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looked at was my therapist and I talked

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about this idea of taking depo-provera

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which is the medication they give the

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sex offenders so they they don't not

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functional mm-hmm and the psycho

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endocrinology department up at Hopkins

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started as a cool

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idea to try and of course I had to sign

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all kinds of releases and you know yeah

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maybe you'll grow pine or he's out are

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your toenails in 20 years we don't know

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you know I can and we did it and I

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quieted down to a dull roar hmm and it

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was it was weird it was really weird and

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one of the other things that happened

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was suddenly I found I had this deep

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spiritual connection to the divine you

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know and my therapist gave me free

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sessions he was talking to me three

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times a week and I was only paying for

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one you know I was an experiment and

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then a few other people signing down for

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the experiment and there was about 10 of

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us who were the original trial with that

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it's a standard process now okay but

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it's based on something me and another

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friend of mine did when we gone to our

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therapists bottom line we figured out a

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Hopkins figured out that I was neural

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chemically allergic to disaster oh and

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so again after going to for most people

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do the minimum it's like a year's worth

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of therapy you know they do the absolute

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minimum yes and I did five years because

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everybody kept telling me I was gonna

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flush my life down the toilet and I was

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gonna be dead in the gutter in a couple

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of years and all this stuff and I

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figured well if I'm gonna wreck my life

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that like they say I'm going to I'm

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gonna make sure I get to the bottom of

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it I had good insurance so I said let me

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do as much therapies that possible and

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get to the bottom of it all not just the

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gender stuff but other issues that were

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going on in my life ended up making some

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of this a bigger monkey than it was and

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what yeah what were you doing

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career-wise during these years okay I I

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did serve in the Air Force for two years

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twelve days I did serve in Vietnam and

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then I had a brief assignment in out of

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Japan into Korea and then my home town

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got wiped out in a flood in 72 so I got

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out on a hardship discharge to help my

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family rebuild a couple years later I

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went into the Navy and went into a high

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tech electronics program

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I guess my tech

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my technical designation if you were to

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read my DD 214 which is your discharge

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papers I was the senior electronic

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warfare specialist okay and so that's it

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and I was qualified periscope

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photographer all that kind of stuff I

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was in nuclear submarines that that was

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it now I went to work for Lockheed the

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early version of the company I worked

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with the work for it was IBM federal

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systems or military products branch of

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IBM they eventually about 14 years later

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got bought by lora a defense contractor

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this is at the end of the Cold War all

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the defense contractor started

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consolidating we they had us for about

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two years and then Lockheed Martin

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bought us and so I'm legacy IBM federal

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systems but I was a Lockheed employee

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technically and they considered my whole

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career 32 years with them as a Lockheed

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career okay and that accounted for the

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good insurance as well then yes it did I

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was in federal I'd be in federal systems

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when I went through my when I went

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through the change and it was probably

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the most miserable three-year train

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wreck of my life that was one question I

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was gonna ask you did this hurt your

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wallet but okay that that explains a lot

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of that well it did hurt my wallet at

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that level

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my divorce with my spouse we were in

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Virginia when we got divorced no

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children but would get divorced

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in I kind of got hoodwinked into I was

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very heavy into transgender community

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leadership you know that type of thing I

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was the founder I was the program

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director for the first International

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Foundation for gender education

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convention okay it gives you an idea to

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kind of stuff I'm not in fact a couple

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of university I got a had two different

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universities asked for my papers because

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I was one of these early activists we're

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talking this is the susan b anthony

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level of activists that there was about

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a dozen of us and i'm a probably one of

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three three of a dozen are still alive

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and so that's kind of what I did and

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like I said IBM federal systems made my

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life absolutely miserable

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during the change and and but you gotta

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understand this change is happening in

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the 1982 lake tent late 1980 timeframe

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and it wasn't just like you know all of

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a sudden go out and have an operation it

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was like a couple of years worth I'm on

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hormones my facial features are changing

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I'm getting softer

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I had a perm you know but I wasn't

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allowed to wear a dress to work or

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anything

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in fact at one point it affected my

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security clearance whoo okay and they

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were about really not IBM federal

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systems the government was about ready

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to take my security clearance away

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because I was pretty much

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what's-his-name during the daytime at my

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day job and I was pretty much Cheryl

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after work during this transition faith

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and they said well we think you can be

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blackmailed because not everybody here

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knows about it and you know I said well

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it's discretion they said no but what

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you think you can be blackmailed

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so I looked at the investigator and his

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government investigator and big old guy

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and I said okay well I think I can fix

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that yeah I don't think so but yeah come

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back I'm coming back in three weeks

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we'll turn your clearance off then I

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said fine so three weeks later I came

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back and I tossed the VHS tape on his

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desk and he says what's that I said the

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blonde and Phil Donahue I'm the redhead

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on Gary Collins our magazine and he said

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what I said I do not on national

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television I cannot be blackmailed and

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oh by the way I ran dubs of this VHS

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tape and I gave it to all the guys in my

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department and project to take home and

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watch with their wives that's fantastic

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what they came back and said well that

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was poor judgment so they sent me to see

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a Department of Defense certified shrink

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because they thought this was poor

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judgment you came out national

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television that wasn't very discreet you

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know but they were beating me up we're

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being discreet you know so I went and

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talked to this guy and he talked to me

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for 10 minutes he said Cheryl you're

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saner than the people who sent you here

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so they ran me through a full set of

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psychological xand they got all done

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it's subject X on this on this whole set

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of psychological and the therapy that

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the psychologist who was doing the tests

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all down to Hall to his peers and said

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tell me what you're thinking he said mmm

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very high educated highly intelligent

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person took this test very visually

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oriented little and historical side this

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woman's a little hysterical but she

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should be in Mensa you liked him would

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you like to meet him

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Wow you know so that's kind of where it

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went so well Cheryl he were the topcoat

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and Kane and do the talk shows in the

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number-crunching

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with a bachelor's in art and degree in

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entertainment writing and production and

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your wife Linda is the scientific brains

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behind the statistics project that you

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all have going which we will go ahead

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and reach him later if we need to use

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different terminology for that but she

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sets it tone she set the tone for the

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book that you all wrote she's a research

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librarian and more she's the guiding

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hand of the projects that you do why do

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you and your wife have such passion for

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statistical data okay here's what came

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from I had been in 2013 I started

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writing a column for the Syracuse New

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Times weekly column on the blog okay

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they told me they were gonna try me out

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13 other editors to throw me out of

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their office okay other places and New

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Times did they take a chance on it and

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they said Cheryl just to jump in really

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quick yes did did you pitch them on a

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ufo-related blog or is this really I

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pitched everybody a ufo-related blog

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okay okay and it was about strictly at

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the time it's gonna be about New York

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State sightings in the past because

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nobody ever reported them so what the

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heck you know lots of material out there

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to talk about and so we went to Circus

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New Times which was a weekly and he said

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okay the editor sat down the editor of

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that time sat down with me and he was as

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well read as I was as it turned out he

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said I'm sympathetic he says go ahead

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give me four or five year articles we'll

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try you out for a month maybe six weeks

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if we don't like it we'll take you out I

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said that's fair that's fair that's fine

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about a month later calls me up on the

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phone Cheryl we want to talk to you come

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on over see us I'm going oh that's it

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it's over with it's like that line from

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The Princess Bride

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from the Dread Pirate Roberts I'll most

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likely kill you in the morning kind of

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thing and so I I go over to see him I'm

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having had a tough time finding parking

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lot space and I get up there in about

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five minutes late for the meeting five

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ten minutes late I walk into the meeting

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and he's standing up talking to this

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boardroom table of people and he stops

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he looks over at me and points that

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means says there's our Rockstar what are

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you talking about he says Cheryl you've

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got more page views in the past month

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than all of our columnist combined

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mm-hmm so needless to say we've been

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doing it now a little over five and a

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half years now how did we get to the

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book yes that is well yeah we could

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backtrack a little further how did you

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get rid of the UFOs seriously enough to

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want to write about it for The Times in

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the first place well I was well read on

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the topic since the 60s when I was in

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high school and I saw many first UFO

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with my mom and dad okay and it was

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explained to me then my mother and I

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when I was in high school you know ma'am

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back in those days most people think

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their mom and dad are stupid your mom

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and I got kind of developed a little bit

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of a bond and I started getting books at

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the library she got books at the library

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we sat there reread them gonna gave each

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other little book reports about what we

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read when when von Daniken's book came

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out yes she dog-eared on the top pages i

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dog-eared on the bottom pages you know

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it was it was nuts but then I graduated

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from high school I joined the Air Force

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and got as far away from my hometown as

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they could okay and I what because in

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the back of my mind I knew that I was a

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trans person and I didn't want to be

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hanging around it that that conserve

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little Republican town anymore so I took

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off to go see the world and so the

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bottom line I went the whole thing was I

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was very well read over the years I read

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about anything I saw come up a newspaper

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article new books like that if I didn't

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buy it I went over to the library and oh

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yeah Stanton Friedman's got a new book

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you know so I was always kind of UFO

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bystander plus I had a security

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clearance Oh

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for 30 years I had a security clinic

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actually over 30 years headed security

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clearance being a member of like

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something like MUFON with Nick's your

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security clearance okay

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so I had enough problems being you know

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getting ready to be a trans person I

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just didn't want to do that and then I

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was retired from Lockheed and I was

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working for a newspaper in their

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technical department I was finishing my

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degree and I had this I had this

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situation where I was doing the I was we

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just got the presses rolling that night

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and we were just doing the the press and

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ice read this article is November 5th

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2012 and the the the article said UFOs

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have been declining since the 1980s

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maybe they were always just an urban

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legend and this was on cnn.com

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at that time and I sat here and looked

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at it and I said that feels like

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misinformation that doesn't feel right

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so for the first time in my life I went

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out to the national UFO Reporting Center

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webpage and back further back in one of

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their pages here I said look at some

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gear in totals and I put them in a

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little spreadsheet and I put put put the

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graph and the thing went up like a

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rocket to there to the right you know

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and and my first thought was when I

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looked at this this this this gray bar

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chart going up like a racket I said well

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what memo didn't the UFOs get oh you

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know and at that point I started reading

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some of these reports that were in their

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database over the next few nights and

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then at that point I started writing up

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some articles and that's when I went out

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and started peddling it about a month

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later took about six months to sell the

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show to sell the idea of the column well

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sure I wanted to talk about your

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beautiful wife Linda Miller Costa

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actually it's actually Kosta

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it's Acosta okay that's costly costly

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yeah thank you very much for correcting

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on that I wanted to just talk about her

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background a little bit it says that

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here what is the MLS stand for by the

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way a massive library science got it yes

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and she has a BA in Psychology from Case

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Western Reserve University and a library

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science made masters from the University

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of Maryland after a career in scientific

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research and publishing in Washington DC

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she is currently at LeMoyne college

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library in Syracuse New York

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she's a co-author of the book that you

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both wrote UFO sightings Desk Reference

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and Linda defined the parameters of the

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UFO sighting Desk Reference designing it

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to be not just another UFO book she

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wanted it to be a scientific reference

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book and in essence a 21st century UFO

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sightings census you know I just wanted

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to mention something to you Cheryl I

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told quite a few people I would be

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interviewing you today and every single

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person has your book it is an often used

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reference and it's dog-eared people

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highlighted it's worn out

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some people say they need to buy new

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copy obviously it's a go-to reference

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guide for a very over a lot of endeavors

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that people have a lot of research that

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they use it for thank you for having

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written this book with your wife let me

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let me explain how that came to be we

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were I was starting to show some charts

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with early early statistics just adding

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up the counties in New York State you

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know that type of thing

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back in 2015 at the international UFO

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Congress and a professor from Sonoma

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University asked me if I could get him

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some very specific County information

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for the southern part of the Hudson

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Valley area just north of New York City

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I said wow that's a tall order because

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MUFON collected County data but it

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wasn't accurate and national UFO

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Reporting Center didn't collect it at

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all and so Linda and I sat down and we

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came up with a way of putting the data

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in there was very permit at the time I

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said there aren't Google and looked it

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up for 4200 records

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and but when we started plotting it out

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after we looked up the counties suddenly

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we were seeing patterns in New York

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State I showed it to the other New York

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State UFO researchers and saying we

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didn't know there was a cluster in that

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area we didn't know there was a cluster

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over there either you know I'll give you

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an example everybody knew the Lake

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Ontario at the Lake Erie area off

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towards Buffalo Niagara Falls like that

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that was the called the Lake Erie effect

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all there's tons of UFO sightings out

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there no one knew that the Monroe County

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which is the Rochester New York area on

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Lake Ontario has almost as many

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sightings oh and the question they all

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said to me online one night on skype

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says maybe we got a leak Ontario effect

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maybe there's a base under Lake Ontario

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we don't know and there's there's

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there's folktale to support this since

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the since the 19th century there's been

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rumors from both sides of the lake

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Canadian and the American side that

542
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:11,490
there was a lost civilization underneath

543
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:16,110
the lake so who knows yeah I the bottom

544
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:17,460
line go let me explain the bottom line

545
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,620
yes one night this was October of 2015

546
00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:24,000
the tourists were sitting in our local

547
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:27,470
pub looking at each other or a pint and

548
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:30,059
we said look at all the wonderful stuff

549
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:33,419
we've identified here this is cool stuff

550
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:35,610
all the other New York State researchers

551
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:37,710
are going gaga over this information

552
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:39,000
because they didn't know any of this

553
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:42,210
stuff I didn't County data okay what if

554
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,940
we did it for the whole country and we

555
00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:46,799
stared at each other for 15 minutes

556
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:48,929
across those beers you know going oh my

557
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:51,299
god this is going to be a project and it

558
00:24:56,289 --> 00:24:53,250
turned out we thought maybe it'd take us

559
00:24:59,840 --> 00:24:56,299
a year it took us 16 18 months to do it

560
00:25:02,539 --> 00:24:59,850
okay that's when Linda got involved and

561
00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:02,549
she says okay this thing is going to be

562
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,950
a statistics book kind of like the

563
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:06,720
census we're going to do like a UFO

564
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:09,780
census it's not going to have any cute

565
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:12,690
little aliens on the cover it's not

566
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:16,500
gonna have any sighting case studies

567
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,630
it's going to be numbers charts graphs

568
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:22,080
numbers sistex data we want this thing

569
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:24,179
to be at home in the reference section

570
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:27,250
of any library okay

571
00:25:33,149 --> 00:25:31,240
and that's and nobody said okay well

572
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:33,159
we'll download the data starting on

573
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:37,150
January morning in January 1st 2016 you

574
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:38,590
wouldn't believe the amount of bandwidth

575
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:41,010
that's available on the January 1st

576
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:47,970
Reporting Center downloaded in about two

577
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:50,650
hours it was really really amazing I did

578
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:52,570
have a question about Lake Ontario are

579
00:25:59,310 --> 00:25:54,370
there any current of ticks and sightings

580
00:26:01,620 --> 00:25:59,320
or contacts in that area no I couldn't

581
00:26:03,539 --> 00:26:01,630
tell you I couldn't see because almost

582
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:03,549
because we're statisticians we're always

583
00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:07,600
writing but if you want an uptick okay

584
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:10,780
there is an uptick in the Hudson Valley

585
00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:14,289
region Orange County the county

586
00:26:19,529 --> 00:26:17,260
standards associated with Pine Bush you

587
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:19,539
know and the people that are talking to

588
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:21,490
me about this are the researchers and

589
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:23,710
they're saying suddenly they're getting

590
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:25,750
dozens of phone calls kind of on the

591
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:27,640
scale what they got back in the 80s when

592
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:30,010
that was a really hot to make it of a

593
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:32,740
place to have sightings so something is

594
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,360
going on again there we're looking into

595
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:40,020
it but again I have to kind of work with

596
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:43,480
data this older I can I don't work with

597
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,370
current what's happening right now

598
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:46,960
people ask me that all the time I

599
00:26:54,919 --> 00:26:49,809
haven't a clue I don't study that stuff

600
00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:54,929
I just study the old stuff are there any

601
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,820
pitfalls in being a statistic ewis to

602
00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:03,000
you that you can't categorize or

603
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:07,720
anything that is there is there anything

604
00:27:13,169 --> 00:27:09,940
about the methodology of what you do

605
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,179
that you need to that you have issues

606
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:14,799
with anything at all but there's

607
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:21,490
challenges regarding being a statistical

608
00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:24,370
and things as one of my dear old friends

609
00:27:27,539 --> 00:27:25,960
from high school put it when he saw the

610
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:27,549
copy of the book we've been friends

611
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:31,299
since the eighth grade he said Cheryl

612
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:33,490
you know what this book means don't you

613
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:35,260
well thanks just what he says you wrote

614
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:38,289
a book of statistics there's there's

615
00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:40,600
there's five dead math teacher

616
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:46,420
rolling over in their math didn't gel

617
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:48,490
for me until I was about 28 was the

618
00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:51,700
maturation thing I barely passed math

619
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,380
effective flunked geometry in high

620
00:27:58,500 --> 00:27:55,600
school I was terrible at it and then

621
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:58,510
something about 25 to 28 years old

622
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:01,240
something clicked one day it was like

623
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:03,430
somebody threw a switch on suddenly I'm

624
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:04,870
sitting here with my scientific

625
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:05,830
calculator

626
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:09,190
running patterns and numbers oh my god

627
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:12,640
numbers were from God you know it was

628
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:14,650
weird but I mean if you'd ask me that

629
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:16,900
nice twenty-two years old and going oh

630
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:18,810
my god people are telling me I should

631
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:20,830
glue one of these four banger

632
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:22,420
calculators to my hand because I'm

633
00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:25,840
stupid in math you know a lot of people

634
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:28,060
you know they hear statistics being

635
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:31,870
spouted off by people on the radio on

636
00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:35,830
the news the average Joe who just wants

637
00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:37,540
to have a discussion about a certain

638
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:40,540
topic and yes people do forget that it

639
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:42,760
is actually a branch of mathematics that

640
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:45,430
deals with collection organization

641
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:47,770
analysis and interpretation of numerical

642
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:49,900
data yeah do you do you ever find

643
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:51,820
yourself falling asleep while you're

644
00:28:57,540 --> 00:28:54,250
collecting this data because it is after

645
00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:57,550
all dry data and now there is something

646
00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:00,190
extremely exciting about it but does it

647
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:02,260
ever get sort of humdrum for you at

648
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:06,730
times the actual gathering the data is

649
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:09,130
easy I download from two national

650
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,650
databases I'll download national U of I

651
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:13,330
just a couple of week about a month ago

652
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:15,580
downloaded national UFO Reporting Center

653
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:20,290
data for 2018 okay it requires a degree

654
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,500
of cleanup okay then we've actually back

655
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:25,990
what we did that thing back in 2015 when

656
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:28,210
I judge the New York State and we didn't

657
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:30,130
know what we were doing well Linda and I

658
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:32,050
are former government contractors so we

659
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,790
actually wrote process procedures this

660
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:35,440
is how you clean it up do this step

661
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:37,450
first do this sub second to this step

662
00:29:41,610 --> 00:29:39,250
third and we actually have a process

663
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:41,620
procedure things that took us six months

664
00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:43,990
to do then I can do in three or four

665
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:48,190
days now okay I see because we know what

666
00:29:54,450 --> 00:29:53,260
we're doing okay the problem we've run

667
00:29:56,009 --> 00:29:54,460
up against we're

668
00:29:59,159 --> 00:29:56,019
as you said you know this at some point

669
00:30:04,139 --> 00:29:59,169
where I get bored yeah I had to add

670
00:30:06,899 --> 00:30:04,149
latitude information to over a thousand

671
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:06,909
records a couple of days ago might both

672
00:30:12,989 --> 00:30:10,809
my wrists are sore from working working

673
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,999
the keyboard in the mouse because I had

674
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,799
to manually look this stuff up by two

675
00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:16,960
screens going I had that the spreadsheet

676
00:30:20,879 --> 00:30:19,119
screen and I had Google and I was

677
00:30:22,499 --> 00:30:20,889
looking up these individual counts cut

678
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:22,509
and paste the name of the town in next

679
00:30:28,049 --> 00:30:24,340
to the city bang hello here's the

680
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:28,059
latitude Bam drop that in so it was it

681
00:30:32,879 --> 00:30:29,740
was three days of cutting and pasting

682
00:30:35,489 --> 00:30:32,889
and look up my wrists my wrists are

683
00:30:36,989 --> 00:30:35,499
still aching from from the effort and I

684
00:30:39,869 --> 00:30:36,999
was bored out of my mind

685
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:39,879
I think goodness I have XM radio here we

686
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,850
just put some new some relaxing spa

687
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:45,279
new-age music on and just say here and

688
00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:48,730
cranked at it the actual crunching the

689
00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:50,679
day after I've got it all cleaned up and

690
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,869
I got what I want inserted into it and

691
00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:54,899
start looking at patterns and things

692
00:30:59,759 --> 00:30:57,820
that I find fascinating and I always try

693
00:31:01,109 --> 00:30:59,769
to do it on a fresh in the morning but

694
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:01,119
after I've had two cups of coffee and

695
00:31:06,419 --> 00:31:03,850
say okay what can i what can we find

696
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,429
today you know and we've bounced him we

697
00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:08,080
found a lot of people say well you just

698
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:10,059
added up the numbers none and then and

699
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:11,950
then when we did the book we were just

700
00:31:16,619 --> 00:31:14,590
adding up numbers now what we're doing

701
00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:16,629
and we got the data in the main database

702
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:21,149
out from 2001 to 2017 and I've got this

703
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:24,600
2018 separate we haven't merged it yet

704
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:26,860
still got a couple of issues I got to

705
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:30,340
fix but the bottom line is we have one

706
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,110
hundred and forty thousand eight hundred

707
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:34,720
and fifty sightings in our database now

708
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:36,700
people call me all the time this is one

709
00:31:40,289 --> 00:31:38,169
of the frustrating things for people new

710
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:40,299
a full community well what's your top 25

711
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,049
cases I don't have 20 I don't have cases

712
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:47,440
right I strip off all that information

713
00:31:53,639 --> 00:31:51,279
all I've got is what when and where okay

714
00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:53,649
and I keep trying to explain to people I

715
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:56,259
don't study the cases I don't vet every

716
00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:57,730
single one of these things down to the

717
00:32:03,499 --> 00:32:00,730
nut and bolt right I look at them I look

718
00:32:04,619 --> 00:32:03,509
at the anthill not the individual ant

719
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:04,629
mm-hm

720
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,700
just to jump in you had mentioned the

721
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,440
different

722
00:32:13,009 --> 00:32:10,620
attitudes for sightings and was there a

723
00:32:14,499 --> 00:32:13,019
specific reason why he decided to go

724
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,509
ahead and look at that particular

725
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:17,460
segment of information up until now no

726
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:21,330
but I've been getting a seen 2016 a book

727
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:26,279
came out called oh darn it 37th parallel

728
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:30,750
the UFO superhighway yes

729
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:34,080
and I've had questions keep coming up

730
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,460
and every time I was presenting

731
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,440
someplace at a state conference or one

732
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:39,419
of the bigger conferences Oh what do you

733
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:41,190
think of that you know certainly the

734
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:43,950
sale hold water you know I didn't know

735
00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:46,049
but in a couple of the places I said

736
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:47,909
well if I could jump in here real quick

737
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:50,580
miss Rick is a pretty interesting guy

738
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,700
I don't know why he chose the UFO subnet

739
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:55,679
particular aspect of the UFO subject to

740
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,330
write about but he's written a couple of

741
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,340
books that were turned into movies that

742
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:02,039
folks might recognize the he wrote the

743
00:33:07,369 --> 00:33:04,350
book that the movie The Social Network

744
00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:07,379
was based on he also wrote a book that a

745
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,350
film it escapes me the title but it was

746
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:12,600
basically about a bunch of MIT students

747
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,220
and their professors who went out to

748
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:16,919
Vegas and card counted and yeah that was

749
00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:18,690
turned into a movie starring Kevin

750
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:20,309
Spacey and they're trying to turn this

751
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:21,720
one into a movie too

752
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:25,110
okay okay but okay here's the deal it's

753
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,250
bogus okay tell us why okay there are

754
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:31,860
ten and I only crunch this data in the

755
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,399
last 72 hours okay and reduced only in

756
00:33:40,999 --> 00:33:37,679
that 2018 dated to do it so we're

757
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:41,009
talking a total of about sixty six

758
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:43,230
hundred forty five records to do it with

759
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:46,110
okay the total number of sightings

760
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:47,850
reports that we were dealing with it's

761
00:33:55,249 --> 00:33:53,309
69 29 but there were 284 records that

762
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,259
did not have a city location on it so I

763
00:33:59,869 --> 00:33:58,080
took I had to mute them out during I was

764
00:34:03,080 --> 00:33:59,879
generating the report okay

765
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,090
I added latitude information on the

766
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,820
gross level you know a 40 50 30 you know

767
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:07,980
whatever I didn't go down yeah you

768
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:12,119
didn't go to second okay but basically

769
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:14,310
there are ten other latitudes they have

770
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:16,980
far more sightings than the thirty

771
00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:20,250
seventh okay point one the other thing

772
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:21,390
is when people were asked

773
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:23,310
you bought it over the last two years I

774
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:25,560
have to get shrug my shoulders and give

775
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:27,090
him a gut instinct assail it my

776
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,460
familiarity with the states in the

777
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,260
counties and those general regions

778
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:33,780
latitudes like that my gut instinct is

779
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:36,030
no those are pretty lackluster States

780
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:38,810
for sightings for the most part ok and

781
00:34:48,170 --> 00:34:43,980
we proved it there for 2018 there was

782
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:48,180
only about 200 and give me 20 seconds

783
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:50,790
here I got the chart right here in front

784
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:51,480
of me

785
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:53,310
flips downs at a page I just literally

786
00:35:01,930 --> 00:34:56,970
this is hot off the spreadsheet ok the

787
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:01,940
37th parallel had in 2018 had 257

788
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:04,800
sightings in it okay well the 34th

789
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,170
parallel had 614 the-the-the 40 of the

790
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:13,680
the 44th down to the 40th average

791
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:19,040
between 355 and almost almost 600 okay

792
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,690
so the rest of the article I read like

793
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,700
in new USA today so well they had

794
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:25,380
paranormal things there and they had

795
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,210
cattle mutilations there

796
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:30,300
come on their cherry-picking I went I

797
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:32,910
went and I sat here yesterday afternoon

798
00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:37,740
and I googled cattle mutilations and all

799
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:39,870
I did was drop in a different state I

800
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,120
had a list here I just cut and pasted 50

801
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:44,730
states every single state has some

802
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,450
degree of livestock mutilations every

803
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:49,980
single statement people always think

804
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,260
it's always Colorado or someplace ok

805
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:54,720
every single state has some degree of it

806
00:36:00,500 --> 00:35:58,500
ok sheep or cattle ok and in some cases

807
00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:00,510
some other animals the other thing

808
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:01,830
what's oh yeah and there's all this

809
00:36:08,090 --> 00:36:05,010
paranormal stuff that's going on Google

810
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,100
any one of those states for paranormal

811
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:10,560
and you'll find a half a dozen toward

812
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:13,050
dozen paranormal societies and a list of

813
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,970
all the scariest places and scariest

814
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,520
trails in the state or every places got

815
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:20,190
paranormal so I feel that a

816
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,470
cherry-picked and the fact that they're

817
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:24,420
making a movie about this thing without

818
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,670
checking and really presenting some real

819
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:28,260
numbers really irritates the hell out of

820
00:36:35,299 --> 00:36:32,450
me and I wrote USA Today about it okay

821
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:35,309
let me yeah we're kind of on the

822
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:37,049
the difference that patterns that are

823
00:36:41,749 --> 00:36:38,729
showing up and I've always been

824
00:36:47,419 --> 00:36:41,759
interested in the per capita numbers and

825
00:36:49,189 --> 00:36:47,429
there's a what's that Oh No well I don't

826
00:36:53,959 --> 00:36:49,199
know I find this pretty interesting now

827
00:36:55,939 --> 00:36:53,969
I surely conference I don't care the

828
00:36:58,969 --> 00:36:55,949
state with the most UFO sightings why

829
00:37:00,439 --> 00:36:58,979
they have so many and these are your

830
00:37:03,019 --> 00:37:00,449
numbers your quarter here I'm assuming

831
00:37:06,469 --> 00:37:03,029
these are your numbers that it's very

832
00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:06,479
interesting the top ten states converged

833
00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:09,239
around certain areas in the country

834
00:37:12,259 --> 00:37:10,739
certain regions in the country and

835
00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:12,269
regions that I wouldn't have expected

836
00:37:19,489 --> 00:37:16,109
when I first saw this Vermont New

837
00:37:22,179 --> 00:37:19,499
Hampshire Maine all top ten per capita

838
00:37:26,899 --> 00:37:22,189
sighting states Oregon Washington

839
00:37:28,939 --> 00:37:26,909
Montana Idaho again up in the far

840
00:37:32,059 --> 00:37:28,949
northwest again not necessarily an area

841
00:37:33,949 --> 00:37:32,069
you'd immediately think of but but let

842
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:33,959
me stop you right there okay okay those

843
00:37:39,859 --> 00:37:37,529
states have smaller populations we do

844
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:39,869
and the ratio sightings make sense

845
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:45,209
spikes that number okay now that's why I

846
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:48,890
don't like that sample because it it it

847
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:52,169
it's it's I think it's bogus you use the

848
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,079
per capita in the context of this really

849
00:37:58,549 --> 00:37:57,359
okay because you know the raw numbers

850
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,559
are obviously going to be higher in

851
00:38:03,499 --> 00:38:00,599
states with big Cobb populations in

852
00:38:05,299 --> 00:38:03,509
California taxes yeah yeah but no it's

853
00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:05,309
not always contribute by population

854
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:07,829
again I got a beat up on that about a

855
00:38:12,229 --> 00:38:10,380
year ago somebody said well you kill for

856
00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:12,239
now it's got the big 40 million populace

857
00:38:18,859 --> 00:38:15,299
so I took and built a pseudo California

858
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,869
in East Coast similar landmass area same

859
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:21,599
latitudes actually more of a population

860
00:38:27,949 --> 00:38:24,839
in all the states I use I had 52 million

861
00:38:31,459 --> 00:38:27,959
people in this pseudo California on the

862
00:38:33,499 --> 00:38:31,469
East Coast okay and it didn't have the

863
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:33,509
same number of sightings there's

864
00:38:38,419 --> 00:38:35,689
something else going on in California

865
00:38:40,189 --> 00:38:38,429
now let's take one more spin on this I

866
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:40,199
was sitting on a radio show one night I

867
00:38:44,509 --> 00:38:42,390
had my book laying in my lap and we were

868
00:38:47,539 --> 00:38:44,519
in a commercial break and something I

869
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:47,549
hadn't noticed in our book we have we

870
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:49,050
thought only maps we use we

871
00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:52,350
used census region maps okay

872
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:54,360
and I was sitting there and glancing in

873
00:39:00,620 --> 00:38:58,770
the Midwest the water is the big thing I

874
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:00,630
don't care about the per capita water is

875
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:02,910
the big thing you look around the Great

876
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:04,590
Lakes and all the states that are

877
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:06,750
touching the Great Lakes have numbers in

878
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:09,630
the many thousands two to five thousand

879
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:10,670
okay

880
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:15,660
for that sample year of 2015 and 2001 to

881
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:16,590
2015

882
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:18,750
okay move two states away and the

883
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,810
numbers fall into the low hundreds here

884
00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:23,930
in New York State

885
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,550
fifty-two percent of the sightings in

886
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:29,220
New York State are along either the st.

887
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:36,420
Lawrence Seaway or down the Hudson okay

888
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:38,730
so how's your research revealed that

889
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,710
increased sightings in any given area

890
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:43,440
say the Hudson Valley are attributed to

891
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:46,260
notable environmental or technological

892
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:48,270
or political just or do you believe

893
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:53,550
they're random in the Hudson I can't

894
00:40:02,120 --> 00:39:55,770
tell you because Hudson is a strange

895
00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:02,130
animal Orange County has a an unusual

896
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:05,100
amount of at least it's being tracked

897
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:06,510
that this is what makes it an unusual

898
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,120
amount somebody's been studying it they

899
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:11,760
have a very large amount of reported

900
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:12,840
abductions

901
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,210
okay well Orange County happen to be the

902
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:17,040
same place where whitley strieber lived

903
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:21,960
release in his cabin was okay drinking

904
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:25,190
it's been a hot bed down there for years

905
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:30,750
so melissad have tracked this stuff down

906
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:33,690
as far as that the expert the person if

907
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:35,490
you want to track it by environment

908
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:37,050
affect my editor asked me to do it at

909
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,330
one point okay here from New York State

910
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:42,240
and the only thing we went we went after

911
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:45,050
15 different things we went after

912
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,100
pollution we went after Natural

913
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:50,700
Resources we went after population we

914
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:53,430
went after ley lines for goodness sakes

915
00:41:00,110 --> 00:40:57,000
we went after everything and nothing

916
00:41:02,779 --> 00:41:00,120
worked then one day I'm talking to Ben

917
00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:02,789
Moss he's the former state director for

918
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,429
fine in Virginia and he says to me he

919
00:41:10,789 --> 00:41:07,619
says can you get an ancient map of

920
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,799
Indian territories I said yeah I can

921
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:12,599
probably get some like this overlay head

922
00:41:17,449 --> 00:41:15,209
over your numbers which I did and it

923
00:41:19,219 --> 00:41:17,459
matched up with Native American

924
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:19,229
territories like you wouldn't believe

925
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,150
nice we have a little poster on the wall

926
00:41:26,419 --> 00:41:22,859
here it says correlation does not

927
00:41:27,909 --> 00:41:26,429
necessarily equal causality it's pretty

928
00:41:32,209 --> 00:41:27,919
interesting

929
00:41:34,009 --> 00:41:32,219
okay we're at different states like out

930
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:34,019
west have you been able to do the same

931
00:41:37,489 --> 00:41:35,609
kind of thing out there erratically

932
00:41:41,029 --> 00:41:37,499
theoretically yeah now the guy you

933
00:41:43,699 --> 00:41:41,039
really want to have on as a guest is Tom

934
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:43,709
Kahn well Thomas Kahn well I know Tom

935
00:41:56,959 --> 00:41:49,910
okay tom is a promoter new york right

936
00:42:00,199 --> 00:41:56,969
just the guy you're talking about he's a

937
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:00,209
trainee art he has done him and I were

938
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:02,339
doing our research about the same time

939
00:42:06,049 --> 00:42:04,169
so we've traded a lot of notes back and

940
00:42:09,049 --> 00:42:06,059
forth and of course he uses my book a

941
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:09,059
great deal he's gone and done the map

942
00:42:13,999 --> 00:42:11,579
the entire United States for this kind

943
00:42:16,999 --> 00:42:14,009
of stuff of where really are they what

944
00:42:18,859 --> 00:42:17,009
are they hanging around they hang around

945
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:18,869
our brownfields they hang around our

946
00:42:23,959 --> 00:42:22,650
pollution sites they're very interested

947
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:23,969
in that kind of stuff there's certain

948
00:42:28,549 --> 00:42:25,859
polluted rivers they seem to hang around

949
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:28,559
tremendously times the guy to talk about

950
00:42:33,259 --> 00:42:31,140
that he's I defer his time on all of

951
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:33,269
that stuff are you talking about Tom

952
00:42:40,789 --> 00:42:38,099
Kahn well who is he he actually calls

953
00:42:43,819 --> 00:42:40,799
himself a UFO just to my knowledge but

954
00:42:46,549 --> 00:42:43,829
he is part of the extreme paranormal

955
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:46,559
counter response team from MUFON yeah he

956
00:42:50,479 --> 00:42:48,569
wrote the book they are here that's yeah

957
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,489
yeah he wrote the whole series of books

958
00:42:53,749 --> 00:42:51,900
they are here he's done it for every

959
00:42:55,549 --> 00:42:53,759
major region in the country he's only

960
00:42:57,049 --> 00:42:55,559
two hours up the road for me him and I

961
00:42:59,659 --> 00:42:57,059
sat down talked about this a number of

962
00:43:01,640 --> 00:42:59,669
times he's really sharp he focused on

963
00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:01,650
that I just worried about statistics

964
00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:11,140
Frank do you have any questions well

965
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:13,220
yeah you had mentioned before we had

966
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:16,130
talked about how stats from your book

967
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:19,609
have ended up probably more stories more

968
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:21,500
different stories from different media

969
00:43:25,329 --> 00:43:23,510
organizations around the country will

970
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:25,339
take stats from your book and they'll

971
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,530
write if they're located in let's say

972
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,690
Arizona they'll write up a little story

973
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,760
about we had excellent number of

974
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:34,160
sightings in Arizona we had X number of

975
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:36,260
sightings in Connecticut your book has

976
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:37,849
probably been cited in more different

977
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:40,940
articles about UFOs around the country

978
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:43,460
over the last few years than any other

979
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:45,950
and it's probably not even close you

980
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,410
told me before we started here that you

981
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:50,240
had an interesting story about how all

982
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:52,280
that's come about so why don't you tell

983
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:54,950
us all about that now okay just before

984
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,890
the book was getting ready to come out I

985
00:44:01,690 --> 00:43:59,599
reached out to and again member I'm a

986
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:01,700
media person so I looked at the majors

987
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:05,000
the ten major the ten major states carry

988
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,680
52 percent of the sightings in the

989
00:44:12,579 --> 00:44:09,920
United States okay so I reached out to

990
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,589
the major markets I reached out to at

991
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:14,960
least two to three outlets in every

992
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:17,210
major market in that state especially if

993
00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:19,369
they had huge amounts of sightings and I

994
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:20,780
had this general letter I would give

995
00:44:24,099 --> 00:44:22,609
them some basic stats about their area

996
00:44:25,809 --> 00:44:24,109
and told him I can get tell them more

997
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:25,819
and I reached out to all these

998
00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:29,630
newspapers TV stations and such okay it

999
00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:33,230
was crickets I got silence the only

1000
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:36,260
newspaper in fact this is cute the the

1001
00:44:41,770 --> 00:44:39,020
only newspaper took me up on it was the

1002
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:41,780
Seattle intelligence sir okay and they

1003
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:45,680
had one of their freelance reporters

1004
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:48,140
were worked with me now he got enough

1005
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:50,750
information from me I talked about

1006
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:54,260
California what's interesting is the

1007
00:45:00,190 --> 00:44:57,230
count the the science editor for the San

1008
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,200
Francisco Chronicle turned me down cold

1009
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:03,440
in fact he did answer me he said oh I

1010
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:05,480
said can you tell me why you're not in

1011
00:45:10,180 --> 00:45:05,930
prison

1012
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:10,190
Oh quote the issue of UFOs was settled

1013
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:14,710
long ago and he was talking about Condon

1014
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:19,220
1968 oh these are the droids you want

1015
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:23,270
alright so when my when the guy released

1016
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:26,270
the article up in the Intelligencer he

1017
00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:27,890
had also because of the nature of the

1018
00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:29,720
interview he had all the data and

1019
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:32,300
information for California so he wrote

1020
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:34,790
up a variant of the same article and it

1021
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:37,220
was published in SFGate which is San

1022
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:39,710
Francisco Chronicle's online edition

1023
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,950
well I noticed it that morning he told

1024
00:45:46,569 --> 00:45:44,839
me in release and I notice it was two

1025
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:46,579
different place okay that's good

1026
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,770
and of course they were they were they

1027
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:50,480
were yelling California's number one you

1028
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:52,280
know you know how the United States says

1029
00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:54,050
everything's gotta be mega and number

1030
00:45:57,550 --> 00:45:55,460
one you know so it was like right you

1031
00:46:00,370 --> 00:45:57,560
know California's number one rah rah rah

1032
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:00,380
and later that day I get this phone call

1033
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:05,210
from KABC talk radio in LA and they said

1034
00:46:10,329 --> 00:46:07,670
Cheryl your your your book and your data

1035
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:10,339
it's that the West Coast social media on

1036
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:12,140
fire can we talk to you on drive time I

1037
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:16,190
said sure you know and what and what it

1038
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:17,810
amounted to was everybody again

1039
00:46:22,569 --> 00:46:20,690
California's number one this guy gets on

1040
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:22,579
just before he puts me on the air he's

1041
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:24,050
goes through the introduction and he

1042
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:25,640
tells everybody there's nothing to this

1043
00:46:33,069 --> 00:46:29,690
stuff but will have run anyway okay but

1044
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,079
so I'll never do that station again but

1045
00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:36,560
the bottom line was that's how initially

1046
00:46:45,089 --> 00:46:41,240
started and then fell off the noose it

1047
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:45,099
fell out a new cycle in three days okay

1048
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:47,480
let me make sure you understand the

1049
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:49,310
scope here when we put that book

1050
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:52,190
together Linda and I both agreed that

1051
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:53,900
most of the books books that have been

1052
00:47:00,700 --> 00:46:55,160
out there and you will follow Allah

1053
00:47:02,829 --> 00:47:00,710
Jesus pray do stick oldies FM radio

1054
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:02,839
station the best UFO crashes from the

1055
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:09,530
50s 60s and 70s that's what it was like

1056
00:47:14,589 --> 00:47:12,410
so that's why she said we're gonna do a

1057
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:14,599
scientific book so we are the seminal

1058
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:16,369
book on UFO statistics that's why

1059
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:18,290
everybody's quoting it now the one thing

1060
00:47:20,589 --> 00:47:20,060
you get a look at if I'm being cited

1061
00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:20,599
Frank

1062
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:22,460
are they citing the national UFO

1063
00:47:26,859 --> 00:47:24,650
Reporting Center are they citing my book

1064
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:26,869
there's two different sets of numbers

1065
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:29,420
out there and I've had people I've had

1066
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:31,010
some of these little video services that

1067
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:32,490
make the little video MEMS type

1068
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:34,830
thing at that time they they were using

1069
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:37,610
my numbers but they weren't crediting us

1070
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:40,920
and I went crate I went a did a neutron

1071
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:42,570
dance on the editors who ran those

1072
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,550
things good you should do that

1073
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,660
it's called I I did have a question for

1074
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,180
you about MUFON and and new force when I

1075
00:47:59,090 --> 00:47:56,400
looked up MUFON

1076
00:48:01,700 --> 00:47:59,100
statistics and was in search of

1077
00:48:05,859 --> 00:48:01,710
something very specific like the latest

1078
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:05,869
MUFON statistics for anything the

1079
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:09,240
earliest the most recent statistics they

1080
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:14,430
have are for December 2018 how do we

1081
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:17,970
find anything you know more recent than

1082
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,430
that or is that the latest stats you

1083
00:48:24,830 --> 00:48:22,980
remember no and that was my next

1084
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:24,840
question do you need to be a member in

1085
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:28,140
order to have access to them yeah if you

1086
00:48:32,570 --> 00:48:30,210
are a member and you get there I'm kind

1087
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:32,580
of like their online mailings I get a

1088
00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:34,470
month I get a monthly mailing that's got

1089
00:48:39,590 --> 00:48:34,830
there

1090
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,600
up-to-date are they so let's just say

1091
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:41,700
for example you jump into the MUFON

1092
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:45,390
database and look for the datasets or

1093
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:48,390
whatever you thought was relevant for

1094
00:48:54,590 --> 00:48:51,570
your subject no IDs you'd okay you don't

1095
00:48:56,359 --> 00:48:54,600
okay no at the end of 2018

1096
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:56,369
write about actually it was about a

1097
00:49:02,109 --> 00:48:58,770
month ago I waited till I would things

1098
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:02,119
settle a little bit in the early part of

1099
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,720
late part of January I reached out to

1100
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:09,119
the director it move on yeah and I said

1101
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,740
I need a data dump now when I'd read

1102
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:12,300
this and we were doing the original book

1103
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:14,310
I had to go through nine hoops and 50

1104
00:49:20,660 --> 00:49:19,410
questions and it was ridiculous they

1105
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:20,670
were treating me like I'm some kind of

1106
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:23,490
idiot and finally Linda got on the phone

1107
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:25,830
and she's miss executive and she got on

1108
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:28,050
there and 20 minutes later I had I had a

1109
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:31,410
database sent to me okay I understand so

1110
00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:35,010
since the book came out Jan Hart hjerson

1111
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:36,840
has a copy of it on his desk all the

1112
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:39,390
time okay

1113
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,700
he since that time I just simply call

1114
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:44,240
him up and say can I have the 2018 data

1115
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,359
what

1116
00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:47,940
and we're and can I have it can I have

1117
00:49:52,819 --> 00:49:50,999
it in a spreadsheet and see a CSV format

1118
00:49:54,049 --> 00:49:52,829
okay I'll have it for you in a couple of

1119
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:54,059
days and next thing you know about three

1120
00:49:59,269 --> 00:49:55,980
days later I got an email from so it's

1121
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,279
much easier process from me but you know

1122
00:50:03,019 --> 00:50:01,619
that's how I do it I don't go into CMS

1123
00:50:04,009 --> 00:50:03,029
or anything like that I'm not even a

1124
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,019
member of MUFON

1125
00:50:09,319 --> 00:50:07,140
I'm given a great deal of privilege with

1126
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,329
them because I'm an why am I not a

1127
00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:12,079
member I'm a journalist and our attorney

1128
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:16,200
wants us to respect the idea of conflict

1129
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,950
of interest oh so I have the flexibility

1130
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,359
even though they've been very kind to me

1131
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:23,400
I the flexibility to trash them if I

1132
00:50:29,509 --> 00:50:26,130
have a good reason to well you know I've

1133
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:29,519
interviewed Janne myself and also Frank

1134
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,410
and I together so we've interviewed in

1135
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:33,839
multiple times he's a wonderful person

1136
00:50:39,319 --> 00:50:36,660
has been very giving towards us any kind

1137
00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:39,329
of question we have to pose to him he's

1138
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,549
been very gracious in answering

1139
00:50:46,759 --> 00:50:44,220
everything and we look forward to

1140
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,769
interviewing him again soon this year

1141
00:50:50,509 --> 00:50:48,900
he's a he's a he's a very polite

1142
00:50:56,650 --> 00:50:50,519
gentleman he also comes from the same

1143
00:51:02,029 --> 00:50:59,599
yesterday for about an hour so yeah I I

1144
00:51:03,979 --> 00:51:02,039
was talking to him today also the

1145
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:03,989
national UFO Reporting Center had the

1146
00:51:08,059 --> 00:51:05,730
same question for you that I just posed

1147
00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:08,069
to you about MUFON how do you go about

1148
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:11,279
getting the latest data from them well

1149
00:51:15,259 --> 00:51:14,130
okay again is it the latest data I just

1150
00:51:17,029 --> 00:51:15,269
go out there to their website and look

1151
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,039
at the stuff that might have happened

1152
00:51:21,529 --> 00:51:19,200
they're running two weeks behind the

1153
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,539
only refreshing online database on the

1154
00:51:24,859 --> 00:51:23,400
website about every two weeks and see

1155
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:24,869
these are the things the public wants to

1156
00:51:30,259 --> 00:51:26,670
know about the fact that there might be

1157
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:30,269
a latency of two weeks or so there would

1158
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:34,049
new fork there certainly is okay you

1159
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,880
have to kind of watch his front page on

1160
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:37,319
the main the main page of the thing

1161
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:41,220
that's a Peter Davenport Davenport will

1162
00:51:46,759 --> 00:51:44,579
make that indication that the the

1163
00:51:48,289 --> 00:51:46,769
database has been updated to cover a

1164
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,299
certain window usually it's like the

1165
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:50,579
first about the 25th 26th something like

1166
00:51:55,009 --> 00:51:51,960
that and then again at the end of the

1167
00:51:57,259 --> 00:51:55,019
month so that's how you catch it this

1168
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:57,269
stuff that's just happening any moment

1169
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:58,920
now if there's something really

1170
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:01,859
cool going on on a weekly basis you'll

1171
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:04,770
see him post on that front page a couple

1172
00:52:09,609 --> 00:52:06,930
of really notable sightings and usually

1173
00:52:12,859 --> 00:52:09,619
he'll talk about it and he's a regular

1174
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:12,869
call-in guest with George Noory and

1175
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:16,619
coach yeah Peter Davenport has been the

1176
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:20,040
director of new force as you know since

1177
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,500
94 and he's worked as a college

1178
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,660
instructor a commercial fisherman and

1179
00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:26,760
Russian translator in the Soviet Union

1180
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:30,150
he actually has quite a long resume and

1181
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:33,780
he also he was the founding president of

1182
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,990
the seattle-based biotech company of a

1183
00:52:41,799 --> 00:52:38,940
biotech company which currently employs

1184
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:41,809
over 300 scientists and technician

1185
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:44,490
anyway was going to ask you about Peter

1186
00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:45,930
Davenport is do you ever have

1187
00:52:52,329 --> 00:52:49,950
communication with him directly no no

1188
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,339
when we were doing the original book

1189
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:54,660
Linda had a little bit of correspondence

1190
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:56,579
with him about what we were doing and

1191
00:53:01,339 --> 00:52:59,010
that was it we sent him one who sent him

1192
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:01,349
two copies we sent Jan two copies and

1193
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:03,030
that was that was but but he's never

1194
00:53:09,549 --> 00:53:06,210
actually reached out to us okay you know

1195
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:09,559
who has never had me on their radio show

1196
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:11,690
George Noory

1197
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:14,940
I've been on coast to coast but I did it

1198
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:17,160
on the weekend with George Knapp but

1199
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:21,630
twice but the producer and George

1200
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,730
doesn't want to talk to me for some

1201
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:25,920
reason and which is weird because

1202
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:28,349
considering I've got the we Linda and

1203
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,089
I've got the only book of statistics out

1204
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,359
there right yes that's true

1205
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:36,180
so you've reached out to George Noory is

1206
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:38,970
that correct we did we did back when the

1207
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,099
book was first out and then about a year

1208
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,040
later I reached out to them again and

1209
00:53:50,059 --> 00:53:47,280
again crickets I get that an awful lot

1210
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:50,069
in fact out last past year or so I

1211
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,470
reached out to New York State media

1212
00:53:57,020 --> 00:53:54,720
outlets in the major cities here in New

1213
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:57,030
York State and I said look I got the

1214
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:00,630
latest data I had the 1617 data okay and

1215
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:02,609
I had some really cool stuff to say and

1216
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:05,670
every one of them either didn't answer

1217
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,440
me or if they did they got me on a

1218
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:11,940
conference call and basically laughed at

1219
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:12,660
me

1220
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:18,630
would have thought after December 16th

1221
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:20,790
when we had the Pentagon stuff coming

1222
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,960
out with the New York Times and

1223
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:23,520
everything but there's a little story

1224
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:24,270
about that too

1225
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:29,160
let's look at that 2016 okay January of

1226
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,940
2016 the CIA who had always said for

1227
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:35,040
years all we don't know nothing about no

1228
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:39,180
UFOs okay releases through the National

1229
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:41,970
Archives a rather significant amount of

1230
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,850
UFO material that was the closest first

1231
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,200
kind of like it was kind of like a

1232
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:48,660
little sip from the Dixie cup a glass

1233
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:51,510
worth of disclosure okay

1234
00:54:58,610 --> 00:54:56,760
last thing Obama's people did and I had

1235
00:55:00,080 --> 00:54:58,620
a lot of those PDFs downloaded and

1236
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:00,090
apparently the folks at the New York

1237
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:03,270
Times looked at it and said oh there is

1238
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:08,130
something to this okay so somebody had

1239
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,810
me in a conversation with Ralph

1240
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,880
Blumenthal he was one of the writers on

1241
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,160
the Pentagon thing a year later okay

1242
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:17,160
later in the year he approached me we

1243
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,930
talked I shared some stuff I got him a

1244
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:21,180
copy of the book and he went into his

1245
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,750
editors essentially and and he says some

1246
00:55:32,330 --> 00:55:29,880
old ladies in Syracuse did the science

1247
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,340
and he throws a two and a half pound 374

1248
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:33,680
page book on your desk

1249
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:35,910
there was no refuting it there's the

1250
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:37,710
numbers okay wasn't just a lot of little

1251
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:40,440
stories from people and so they decided

1252
00:55:45,350 --> 00:55:42,390
to interview Linda and I think he came

1253
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:45,360
up on the train spent the day with us we

1254
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:48,270
sat in my the old house we had a library

1255
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,530
in the front sat there in front of the

1256
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,780
fireplace with tea and scones and talked

1257
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:53,280
the afternoon away and let me came home

1258
00:55:56,570 --> 00:55:54,750
from work we talked a couple more hours

1259
00:56:00,590 --> 00:55:56,580
away and then we went down to the Irish

1260
00:56:01,970 --> 00:56:00,600
pub and and talked the evening away he

1261
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:01,980
wanted to make sure we weren't living in

1262
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:06,780
my mother's cellar you know anyone to

1263
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,030
get to the bottom of it and we talked in

1264
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:11,700
depth about this okay now that was in

1265
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:15,000
April 24th that article broke on the

1266
00:56:22,610 --> 00:56:17,220
internet on the 25th that came out in

1267
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:22,620
press and in in print okay oh okay what

1268
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,440
happens eight six seven months later

1269
00:56:28,949 --> 00:56:26,319
December 16th

1270
00:56:31,469 --> 00:56:28,959
him Leslie Kean a couple of other people

1271
00:56:34,469 --> 00:56:31,479
from political released the story about

1272
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,479
the Pentagon a lot went on in 2017 and

1273
00:56:38,459 --> 00:56:36,400
that was kind of the build-up to it

1274
00:56:41,969 --> 00:56:38,469
yeah Helen Cooper Ralph Blumenthal and

1275
00:56:44,279 --> 00:56:41,979
Leslie Kean as you said December 16 2017

1276
00:56:46,349 --> 00:56:44,289
in the Washington Post they came out

1277
00:56:50,699 --> 00:56:46,359
with that iconic article everybody knows

1278
00:56:52,769 --> 00:56:50,709
about now regarding the 22 million

1279
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:52,779
dollars spent on the advanced aerospace

1280
00:56:57,809 --> 00:56:55,569
threat identification program which by

1281
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,819
the way is laughable with regards to

1282
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:00,640
there being a reported 22 million

1283
00:57:05,909 --> 00:57:03,249
dollars spent on a five-year program I

1284
00:57:08,759 --> 00:57:05,919
highly doubt that it was the only amount

1285
00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:08,769
whispah that's a paltry amount of money

1286
00:57:16,529 --> 00:57:12,189
to be spent on such an important program

1287
00:57:18,179 --> 00:57:16,539
for unidentified aerial phenomena what I

1288
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,189
was going to ask you about that I'm a

1289
00:57:22,859 --> 00:57:20,559
former defense contractor I sat down and

1290
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,869
did an article about that and I guess I

1291
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:25,119
actually sat there and said five years

1292
00:57:29,249 --> 00:57:27,400
here's what it worked out - how many

1293
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,259
scientists how many engineers how many

1294
00:57:34,019 --> 00:57:31,859
support staff the lights the security

1295
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:34,029
all that kind of stuff I worked it out

1296
00:57:38,669 --> 00:57:35,890
we were down to within fifty dollars of

1297
00:57:40,829 --> 00:57:38,679
what they spent that's amazing by the

1298
00:57:43,859 --> 00:57:40,839
way I actually downloaded the budgets

1299
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:43,869
for the years even a year before the

1300
00:57:49,529 --> 00:57:45,609
program started so look over I looked

1301
00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:49,539
over six years worth of budget data to

1302
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:52,359
try and find the hidden program that

1303
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,609
they had and I couldn't find it anywhere

1304
00:57:59,969 --> 00:57:56,559
the hidden program meaning wondering

1305
00:58:02,009 --> 00:57:59,979
what they called it I couldn't find it

1306
00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:02,019
the question I have for you is that 880

1307
00:58:10,459 --> 00:58:07,869
IP the videos when they came out and I

1308
00:58:13,259 --> 00:58:10,469
think there were three did any of that

1309
00:58:15,509 --> 00:58:13,269
how did that affect you personally

1310
00:58:20,099 --> 00:58:15,519
forget the data how did you feel about

1311
00:58:23,939 --> 00:58:20,109
it well I I kind of knew about two weeks

1312
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:23,949
before it came out again a I'm a

1313
00:58:30,149 --> 00:58:27,130
reporter I had my ear to the ground so

1314
00:58:32,729 --> 00:58:30,159
to speak but we didn't know exactly what

1315
00:58:36,179 --> 00:58:32,739
the scale of it was going to be okay and

1316
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:36,189
we didn't know a bunch of things so my

1317
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:39,460
reaction to it was fantastic but

1318
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:41,740
here's the second half of that I sat

1319
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:44,020
here and watched people for a week on

1320
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:45,849
the news cycle on these morning the

1321
00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:47,890
morning shows on TV and things like this

1322
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:50,140
sitting there behind their little panels

1323
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,990
talking and they were coulis they had

1324
00:58:56,339 --> 00:58:54,880
they were not prepared for the subject

1325
00:59:00,030 --> 00:58:56,349
matter and they all looked like a deer

1326
00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:00,040
in the headlights oh okay and there that

1327
00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:01,720
we were making stupid comments well I

1328
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:02,680
don't believe there's actually

1329
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:04,329
intelligent life out there maybe

1330
00:59:08,099 --> 00:59:05,710
bacterial life but I don't believe

1331
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:08,109
there's real life out there oh somebody

1332
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:09,220
else like the Russians or the Chinese

1333
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,670
must be testing something and I said

1334
00:59:17,609 --> 00:59:15,760
didn't I looked at my friend I said look

1335
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:17,619
at these people there's this video

1336
00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:20,170
there's pilots talking did they listen

1337
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:23,500
to the audio the audio at one point when

1338
00:59:28,770 --> 00:59:26,170
that UFO makes that really drastic turn

1339
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:28,780
and the pilot said wow look at that and

1340
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:31,450
then he says look at that there's a

1341
00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:35,050
whole fleet of them nobody hears that

1342
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:37,240
and I wrote it up in my column he said

1343
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,170
why didn't they talk about that yeah so

1344
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:42,880
what I've started doing is I reached out

1345
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,520
thinking that maybe with that whole

1346
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:47,920
December 16th thing maybe local news

1347
00:59:51,569 --> 00:59:49,510
directors would be interested in local

1348
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,579
sightings in their area and I packaged

1349
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:53,920
up a couple of releases for upstate New

1350
01:00:00,960 --> 00:59:57,460
York major metropolitan out news outlets

1351
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:00,970
Oh like I said silence and crickets and

1352
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:03,910
getting laughed off the phone since that

1353
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:05,530
time I said well we got a little problem

1354
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,569
with the journalism community being

1355
01:00:12,539 --> 01:00:10,559
jaded so I reached out to about five

1356
01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:12,549
journalism schools within about a

1357
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,260
three-hour drive of me here in New York

1358
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:17,280
State and I offered to the professors

1359
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,410
would you like an opportunity to have

1360
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:21,760
someone come and tell the real story

1361
01:00:26,819 --> 01:00:24,299
about UFOs and talk about what your

1362
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:26,829
students when they get out into the

1363
01:00:30,329 --> 01:00:28,450
business are gonna have to deal with in

1364
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:30,339
a couple years when we really do have

1365
01:00:35,819 --> 01:00:33,970
serious disclosure and State University

1366
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:35,829
in New York and Albany journalism school

1367
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:37,569
had me come up I was supposed to talk to

1368
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:39,609
two classes they loved it so much they

1369
01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:42,130
put me up for another night and kept me

1370
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:44,680
there for two more classes okay

1371
01:00:50,299 --> 01:00:47,680
and in fact Albany has decided to take

1372
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:50,309
my papers instead of Duke University so

1373
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:53,180
how interesting is that all my research

1374
01:00:59,079 --> 01:00:55,609
besides all my transact business stuff

1375
01:01:01,920 --> 01:00:59,089
back in the 80s and early 90s but all my

1376
01:01:05,049 --> 01:01:01,930
UFO research will be immortalized in

1377
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:05,059
some in state university of new york at

1378
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:07,940
Albany's archives yeah that's where a

1379
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:10,220
professor kevin Knuth is out of he wrote

1380
01:01:16,450 --> 01:01:12,650
a nice little article app following up

1381
01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:16,460
the initial time story a very pro UFO

1382
01:01:20,740 --> 01:01:18,230
did you get a chance to cross paths with

1383
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:20,750
him when you were there no I didn't okay

1384
01:01:27,339 --> 01:01:25,040
no I didn't but the the deal the bottom

1385
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:27,349
line with that whole thing is that I've

1386
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,770
had Albany had me over there in November

1387
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:32,900
and right now I'm having I'm in

1388
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:35,710
negotiations with Syracuse University

1389
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:40,640
and maybe maybe maybe what's this other

1390
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:43,609
school starts going to be uh I can't

1391
01:01:47,530 --> 01:01:45,230
remember those school it's down south of

1392
01:01:49,299 --> 01:01:47,540
me here they're they're loosely talking

1393
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:49,309
to me but some of these professors don't

1394
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:51,170
have a lot of slack in theirs and your

1395
01:01:54,910 --> 01:01:53,210
curriculum to have a guest speaker come

1396
01:01:57,130 --> 01:01:54,920
in so they're trying to work something

1397
01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:57,140
out with me buying a st. Bonaventure

1398
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:00,380
okay it's talking to me but that's what

1399
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,970
we're trying to do is get these get

1400
01:02:05,770 --> 01:02:03,920
these journalists and students exposed

1401
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:05,780
to a topic mattered it's a little on the

1402
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,430
challenging side so they don't get into

1403
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:09,440
a newsroom and nobody knows anything

1404
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:13,790
about this a lot of questions I get from

1405
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:16,609
major media right after in fact if you

1406
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:19,089
googled New York Times in UFO in

1407
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:21,710
December you've got their current

1408
01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:24,170
article and you got me because we had an

1409
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:26,750
article back in April so I got a lot of

1410
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,210
media calls and said in first question

1411
01:02:32,260 --> 01:02:30,559
did they ask me about the magnitude

1412
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:32,270
today ask me about the hotspots know

1413
01:02:37,780 --> 01:02:36,049
who's driving them and I said I don't

1414
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:37,790
know it might be government aircraft

1415
01:02:43,329 --> 01:02:40,490
secret stuff it might be aliens it might

1416
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:43,339
be interdimensional beings it could be

1417
01:02:51,579 --> 01:02:48,950
the Teamsters I don't know yeah you know

1418
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:51,589
there's something pretty fascinating

1419
01:02:56,620 --> 01:02:53,410
about an object going through the sky

1420
01:03:01,720 --> 01:02:56,630
unfathomable speeds beyond the kind of

1421
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:01,730
physics that were aware of that causes

1422
01:03:07,210 --> 01:03:05,510
people to pause and think you know I

1423
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:07,220
just wanted to also mention regarding

1424
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:10,990
that article that we were talking about

1425
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:16,000
the Washington Post December 16th 2017

1426
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:19,520
when Blumenthal Cooper and Leslie Kean

1427
01:03:27,309 --> 01:03:23,359
came out with that aat IP article it was

1428
01:03:29,260 --> 01:03:27,319
published on a Saturday and Franken

1429
01:03:32,109 --> 01:03:29,270
Frank and I have talked about this

1430
01:03:35,890 --> 01:03:32,119
numerous times on his talk show about

1431
01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:35,900
how it was purposely published on a day

1432
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:39,230
that people would probably notice this

1433
01:03:46,809 --> 01:03:42,170
bit of news less how do you feel about

1434
01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:46,819
that well in occupied the news cycle for

1435
01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:51,500
two weeks the Sunday Times is pretty big

1436
01:03:54,819 --> 01:03:52,700
I mean it might have got on the website

1437
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:54,829
on Saturday but the Sunday Times I think

1438
01:03:58,750 --> 01:03:56,450
that's where it was actually published

1439
01:04:00,700 --> 01:03:58,760
and Sunday Times is pretty big that's

1440
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:00,710
pretty good yeah that's the deal

1441
01:04:06,339 --> 01:04:03,890
they usually put it out on their the the

1442
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:06,349
echo it on the day before on their

1443
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:10,160
online edition and then usually the next

1444
01:04:14,380 --> 01:04:11,839
day's paper actually has the print

1445
01:04:16,270 --> 01:04:14,390
edition version of it that's typically

1446
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:16,280
what the New York Times does other

1447
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:19,220
papers do different things but I didn't

1448
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,540
think that was a big deal I thought it

1449
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,640
was a really good action that they put

1450
01:04:25,809 --> 01:04:24,319
it in the sunday paper which is actually

1451
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:25,819
has a bigger readership than their

1452
01:04:30,059 --> 01:04:27,770
weekday paper like that's this is true

1453
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:30,069
of all newspapers that's a good point

1454
01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:32,150
you know it seemed kind of lackluster

1455
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:34,369
regarding the response from the general

1456
01:04:39,809 --> 01:04:38,480
public do you think that's true to the

1457
01:04:45,099 --> 01:04:39,819
AAT IPE

1458
01:04:46,420 --> 01:04:45,109
article um a lot of people do a lot of

1459
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:46,430
people didn't know what to think

1460
01:04:52,539 --> 01:04:49,010
oh okay they really didn't know what to

1461
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,549
think and they like CNN so in the

1462
01:04:56,109 --> 01:04:54,319
pundits they had it the first thing they

1463
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:56,119
had on with somebody's air aircraft

1464
01:04:59,770 --> 01:04:58,250
engineering type people say all people

1465
01:05:02,829 --> 01:04:59,780
are always trying out new something new

1466
01:05:04,690 --> 01:05:02,839
and can't be aliens you know and and it

1467
01:05:08,650 --> 01:05:04,700
was still this negative it can't be this

1468
01:05:10,569 --> 01:05:08,660
it can't be that but over the next few

1469
01:05:12,579 --> 01:05:10,579
weeks you did notice we had more pilots

1470
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:12,589
coming out of the woodwork starting to

1471
01:05:16,539 --> 01:05:14,480
say yeah there is this stuff out there

1472
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:16,549
and we don't know what it is you know a

1473
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:18,530
couple of months later

1474
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:21,370
that's February I got to interview

1475
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:24,530
Louella Sandoval okay

1476
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:28,880
and the tricky thing there with him was

1477
01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:31,010
I had seen an interview done at the I

1478
01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:32,840
UFO see at the International UFO

1479
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:34,550
Congress and they asked all the

1480
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:36,230
questions I was going to ask and he was

1481
01:05:39,070 --> 01:05:38,090
every other about every third question

1482
01:05:40,660 --> 01:05:39,080
well I can't tell you because of my

1483
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:40,670
security else okay

1484
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:43,490
so Linda and I went back again this is

1485
01:05:48,580 --> 01:05:46,430
Linda's skills she's the librarian and

1486
01:05:51,970 --> 01:05:48,590
they're trained to ask questions a

1487
01:05:53,710 --> 01:05:51,980
certain way and she came back and wrote

1488
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:53,720
up a list of about 30 questions

1489
01:05:58,330 --> 01:05:56,210
completely different than anything these

1490
01:06:00,580 --> 01:05:58,340
other people had asked all that go right

1491
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:00,590
for the jugular vein kind of thing and

1492
01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:02,390
this was one of those little sneaky girl

1493
01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:05,180
things you know you know you can if you

1494
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:06,830
ask a question a different way you can

1495
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:08,890
get an answer you know a certain way and

1496
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:15,410
pillow talk and we had a two-hour

1497
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:18,230
interview and he didn't give me the

1498
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:21,950
security oath cool thing once I got one

1499
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:24,470
I got one Curt answer on one thing did

1500
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:26,330
you guys have a military database and

1501
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:28,730
does an interface and he said yes I said

1502
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:31,160
does the interface with like new for

1503
01:06:37,390 --> 01:06:34,010
comu find Posse Comitatus laws we

1504
01:06:39,460 --> 01:06:37,400
weren't allowed to access the the the

1505
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:39,470
civilian databases but we have our own

1506
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:41,960
database based on sightings that have

1507
01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:44,210
been reported within the military

1508
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:47,270
services all branches so that was that

1509
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:48,740
was how we got our questioning and that

1510
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:50,660
was that was the extent of it and my

1511
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:53,690
editor and I chose not to publish the

1512
01:06:57,730 --> 01:06:56,090
results of that interview because we're

1513
01:06:59,110 --> 01:06:57,740
letting everybody else make fools of

1514
01:07:04,930 --> 01:06:59,120
themselves because they're asking all

1515
01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:04,940
the wrong questions I had a question to

1516
01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:07,360
you about radar data

1517
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:11,000
unidentified craft traversing the skies

1518
01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:14,210
at speeds that are beyond what our

1519
01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:16,430
aircraft are known to be able to

1520
01:07:20,490 --> 01:07:18,230
accomplish

1521
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:20,500
do you ever compile radar data

1522
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,280
concerning that kind of that kind of

1523
01:07:30,790 --> 01:07:28,160
data I guess where would I get it well I

1524
01:07:31,099 --> 01:07:30,800
was just curious I thought maybe you

1525
01:07:34,579 --> 01:07:31,109
might

1526
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:34,589
have some kind of ability to you don't

1527
01:07:40,489 --> 01:07:36,329
have the ability to reach out for that

1528
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,499
no no the FAA is told people not to get

1529
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:42,480
you know the local MUFON investigators

1530
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:45,900
are getting that stuff you know do you

1531
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:48,660
know there's not even a cattle middle

1532
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:51,930
livestock mutilation database yeah and I

1533
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:53,700
was actually gonna ask you about that in

1534
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,410
just a moment I went looking for that

1535
01:08:00,499 --> 01:07:57,839
recently and it doesn't exist you know

1536
01:08:01,999 --> 01:08:00,509
and and for all the people who are

1537
01:08:03,979 --> 01:08:02,009
interested in that topic you would have

1538
01:08:06,229 --> 01:08:03,989
thought somebody would sat down and

1539
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,239
started collecting this data into a

1540
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:08,099
database there's a crop circle database

1541
01:08:12,979 --> 01:08:11,130
out there but there is not one from for

1542
01:08:16,099 --> 01:08:12,989
livestock mutilation which is strange

1543
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:16,109
yeah tomato yeah you're right you're

1544
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,489
right yeah I just want to jump in here

1545
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:19,679
you're right about the radar data the

1546
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:22,980
only collection of data that I'm aware

1547
01:08:29,149 --> 01:08:26,699
of that focuses exclusively on the radar

1548
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,159
data was something compiled by Professor

1549
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:32,159
Peter Stewart a number of years ago he

1550
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,750
went back through some older blue book

1551
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:36,000
files and picked up some international

1552
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:38,850
cases as well so he was able to compile

1553
01:08:45,099 --> 01:08:42,239
a couple hundred over a number of years

1554
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:45,109
spread out over a number of years and

1555
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:49,199
he's got that but beyond that I'm not

1556
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:50,850
aware of any I think that would be a

1557
01:08:57,709 --> 01:08:55,130
very interesting subset to put together

1558
01:09:00,919 --> 01:08:57,719
but as far as I know that's the only one

1559
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:00,929
all right I'm gonna throw water on all

1560
01:09:05,539 --> 01:09:03,540
this conversation okay all right you're

1561
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,549
talking to a former electronic warfare

1562
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:07,560
specialist I was just gonna say and I'm

1563
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,190
a specialist in radar okay I know how

1564
01:09:14,660 --> 01:09:12,960
they make them I know how they work and

1565
01:09:16,999 --> 01:09:14,670
I know all the different kind of

1566
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:17,009
configurations they do with them all

1567
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:18,449
right there's a little thing called

1568
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:21,089
stealth technology where you can take a

1569
01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:24,600
huge thing like us like a c5 transport

1570
01:09:31,879 --> 01:09:28,739
or or a b-52 bomber something like that

1571
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:31,889
something that big and I'm radar make it

1572
01:09:37,010 --> 01:09:33,420
appear to be about the size of the birds

1573
01:09:40,220 --> 01:09:37,020
and the bees okay this is called stealth

1574
01:09:42,589 --> 01:09:40,230
technology and if we've got the ability

1575
01:09:44,539 --> 01:09:42,599
to cloak this stuff they've got the

1576
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:44,549
ability to cloak this stuff and if we do

1577
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:45,000
see

1578
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,250
I'm read her so if something that is

1579
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:53,040
unidentified that is going very fast

1580
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:56,250
much faster than the military aircraft

1581
01:10:03,890 --> 01:10:00,660
we have out in the skies and it's

1582
01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:03,900
spotted on radar does that mean that is

1583
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:08,790
evidence of having caught something

1584
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:11,610
going very fast is there such thing as

1585
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:16,290
radar evidence of that if there probably

1586
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:18,030
is if they tracked them

1587
01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:19,890
I mean look let's go back and read our

1588
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:23,430
evidence 1986 Japan Airlines freighter

1589
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,100
fully come in of 747 flying here from

1590
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:29,040
Japan oh okay that's the guy that's the

1591
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:31,800
pilot that ran into a mile wide

1592
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:35,340
Saturn shaped UFO nor north of Atlanta

1593
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,830
of Alaska and he kept trying to get

1594
01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:40,380
around it and it kept had the agility to

1595
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,320
keep up with him okay and they tracked

1596
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:45,810
all that on radar and of course the CIA

1597
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:48,630
went confiscated the tapes but hmm one

1598
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,670
of the FAA guys made a copy of the tapes

1599
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:52,800
long before long before the CI hey guy

1600
01:10:55,820 --> 01:10:54,570
he's got there and they got everything

1601
01:10:57,860 --> 01:10:55,830
except his cape

1602
01:11:00,440 --> 01:10:57,870
that's the only reason we've got proof

1603
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:00,450
that that happened but he kept a copy I

1604
01:11:05,650 --> 01:11:02,850
know that that would John Callahan

1605
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:05,660
and two of the guys you picked it up was

1606
01:11:09,740 --> 01:11:08,100
Bruce Maccabee was one of the fellows

1607
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:09,750
who picked it up and he went along with

1608
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:12,120
ron Pandolfi whose name has come up here

1609
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:15,000
a few times yeah so you know this stuff

1610
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:16,920
if they if they care to show themselves

1611
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,430
yeah you can you can track it and if

1612
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:22,560
it's reflective but if they've got some

1613
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:24,060
kind of shielding technology that we

1614
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:26,130
don't know about or they're using some

1615
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:30,770
kind of anti anti reflective technology

1616
01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:33,930
we're not going to track them but my

1617
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:35,550
questions a little bit more specific

1618
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:37,560
than that do you feel that as evidence

1619
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:42,480
of an unidentified flying object

1620
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:44,010
anytime you could track something on

1621
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:47,570
radar it is flying beyond the known of

1622
01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:50,160
its unidentified it doesn't mean it's

1623
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:51,630
not something they're testing out in

1624
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,290
area 51 or something what it is evidence

1625
01:11:58,359 --> 01:11:57,540
but okay don't know what it's a good UFO

1626
01:12:00,669 --> 01:11:58,369
you just don't know

1627
01:12:02,169 --> 01:12:00,679
if it's that's one of something of ours

1628
01:12:04,299 --> 01:12:02,179
or something of those guys you know

1629
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,309
right okay yeah real quick I want to

1630
01:12:07,810 --> 01:12:06,320
jump in here just to share a point about

1631
01:12:10,089 --> 01:12:07,820
that Nimitz case that came out during

1632
01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:10,099
the New York Times story now we had

1633
01:12:16,209 --> 01:12:12,260
Kevin day was the radar operator on the

1634
01:12:19,959 --> 01:12:16,219
Princeton he saw UFOs on the on his

1635
01:12:22,049 --> 01:12:19,969
radar scope but the pilots who including

1636
01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:22,059
David flavor who actually went out and

1637
01:12:27,819 --> 01:12:24,739
intercepted these UFOs their radar was

1638
01:12:32,109 --> 01:12:27,829
jammed so it's just a little interesting

1639
01:12:33,459 --> 01:12:32,119
aside okay and also just wanted to

1640
01:12:36,369 --> 01:12:33,469
mention the National centers for

1641
01:12:39,879 --> 01:12:36,379
environmental information which has

1642
01:12:44,529 --> 01:12:39,889
their own website I'll go ahead and give

1643
01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:44,539
everybody the URL of it it's the N CDC

1644
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:50,739
dot and oaa gov they have radar data

1645
01:12:57,810 --> 01:12:54,320
that they compile and you can actually

1646
01:13:03,310 --> 01:12:57,820
go on there and look up radar data

1647
01:13:06,009 --> 01:13:03,320
information you know the thing is I have

1648
01:13:08,799 --> 01:13:06,019
people ask me if I if I got all this you

1649
01:13:10,779 --> 01:13:08,809
know I added it and you know all this

1650
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:10,789
information you know the average UFO

1651
01:13:17,619 --> 01:13:14,570
sighting is barely in this databases is

1652
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:17,629
barely a sentence or two we saw

1653
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:19,249
something I was walking the dog and I

1654
01:13:24,270 --> 01:13:21,530
saw the sand such you know and Wow you

1655
01:13:26,619 --> 01:13:24,280
know sometimes you get a long narrative

1656
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:26,629
sometime most the time it's barely a

1657
01:13:31,719 --> 01:13:29,090
sentence telling you what what they saw

1658
01:13:33,909 --> 01:13:31,729
when okay and I have people call me all

1659
01:13:35,979 --> 01:13:33,919
the time say well they tell you what

1660
01:13:38,350 --> 01:13:35,989
kind of an angle it wasn't horizon I

1661
01:13:40,569 --> 01:13:38,360
said oh they don't that stuff it's not

1662
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:40,579
there we don't know the demographics we

1663
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:42,260
don't know the ages of the people the

1664
01:13:46,569 --> 01:13:44,510
genders of the people who saw it it's it

1665
01:13:49,419 --> 01:13:46,579
is what when and where is all I've got

1666
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,429
just log data basically a wouldn't it be

1667
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:51,679
safe to say though are correct to say

1668
01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:54,800
that the AAT IP videos for all based on

1669
01:13:59,979 --> 01:13:57,709
radar oh yes they were and that was a

1670
01:14:01,389 --> 01:13:59,989
woman was unusually good situations of

1671
01:14:05,979 --> 01:14:01,399
course the military's got really

1672
01:14:07,810 --> 01:14:05,989
fantastic radar these days particularly

1673
01:14:10,689 --> 01:14:07,820
the aircraft carriers which is what we

1674
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:10,699
were dealing with and there's a lot of

1675
01:14:13,630 --> 01:14:11,930
stuff they

1676
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:13,640
can't tell us because of the one thing

1677
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:17,000
blue Alessandro told me they tend I've

1678
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:18,590
had people say well Cheryl they're the

1679
01:14:23,410 --> 01:14:20,330
Lord were around all of our bases around

1680
01:14:26,740 --> 01:14:23,420
the country no they don't I ran a list

1681
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:26,750
of like 8080 bases and oh by the way

1682
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,630
I've run all 55 of the commercial

1683
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:31,760
nuclear reactors in the United States

1684
01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:34,880
okay they don't hang out there trust me

1685
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:38,240
the where they do hang out is where the

1686
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:40,840
fleet is and where our most advanced

1687
01:14:46,990 --> 01:14:43,850
technology is that's what they're

1688
01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:47,000
interested in so the Navy sees a lot and

1689
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:49,240
to some degree the Air Force sees a lot

1690
01:14:55,210 --> 01:14:53,840
now you go off off land I know that

1691
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,220
there is a website at they're called

1692
01:14:59,290 --> 01:14:57,920
water UFO where the gentleman who runs

1693
01:15:00,670 --> 01:14:59,300
that whose names it escapes me

1694
01:15:03,010 --> 01:15:00,680
unfortunately I'd like to give them a

1695
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,020
plug but I do remember the website where

1696
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:05,600
he's compiled a lot of UFO sightings on

1697
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:08,210
water you take a look at that as well or

1698
01:15:13,150 --> 01:15:10,850
justice I've never looked at it I'm just

1699
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,160
looking at what MUFON and new for cave

1700
01:15:18,730 --> 01:15:14,960
there the principles there's a whole

1701
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:18,740
bunch of what I'm gonna call monpa sites

1702
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:20,930
gathering UFO information and in a way I

1703
01:15:24,850 --> 01:15:23,090
think it's a bad thing because what's

1704
01:15:27,850 --> 01:15:24,860
happening is people are reporting these

1705
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:27,860
things on facebook to their friends but

1706
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,450
they're not filing a report but

1707
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:31,600
something I'm like MUFON or new Fork and

1708
01:15:37,420 --> 01:15:35,210
so we're losing that data it's just as

1709
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:37,430
bad as people not reporting them because

1710
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:39,080
we don't we're not plugged into all the

1711
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:41,270
all these little monopod databases I've

1712
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:42,980
even reached out to a couple of them and

1713
01:15:46,990 --> 01:15:45,290
they they wouldn't they wouldn't support

1714
01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:47,000
me they wouldn't help me they weren't

1715
01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:50,300
willing to share the data with me so I

1716
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:52,340
think it hurts the situation in fact

1717
01:16:00,340 --> 01:15:56,000
national UFO Reporting Center in my 2001

1718
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:00,350
to 2015 material was always about 60 to

1719
01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:04,640
70 percent of the data okay in 2018

1720
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:06,470
there were only forty five percent of

1721
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:08,540
the data they've had a steep decline of

1722
01:16:14,410 --> 01:16:10,730
reports on their service and MUFON is

1723
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:14,420
fifty-four percent of the sightings okay

1724
01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:17,360
Oh real quick question about getting the

1725
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:19,670
data in there one thing that you can do

1726
01:16:24,190 --> 01:16:21,590
when you have a database together is you

1727
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:24,200
can query it you talked a little bit

1728
01:16:27,610 --> 01:16:24,650
about

1729
01:16:30,220 --> 01:16:27,620
we're regarding the latitudes of

1730
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,230
different sightings and you talked about

1731
01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:32,960
looking for possible correlations

1732
01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:35,390
between military or nuclear sites and

1733
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:38,390
the sightings what kind of queries that

1734
01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:41,540
have you run that really came back and

1735
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,260
you said wow you weren't expecting this

1736
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:46,400
give us some of your biggest surprises

1737
01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:48,320
in looking at the state a little bit

1738
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,840
more closely and analyzing it okay when

1739
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:52,880
the first big surprises we had and Linda

1740
01:16:58,660 --> 01:16:56,090
found this latitude there's a difference

1741
01:17:00,400 --> 01:16:58,670
difference in monthly sightings based on

1742
01:17:02,770 --> 01:17:00,410
the latitude if you're in a northern

1743
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:02,780
state it's got a quiescent amount of

1744
01:17:07,870 --> 01:17:05,030
sightings from January's up to about oh

1745
01:17:09,670 --> 01:17:07,880
maybe April May and then it starts going

1746
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:09,680
up in July and August are through the

1747
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:13,010
roof and then after about October

1748
01:17:16,420 --> 01:17:14,810
November December it trails right back

1749
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:16,430
down to that quiescent amount that

1750
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:18,650
quiescent amount of sightings are the

1751
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,630
dog walkers were out there dead dog

1752
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:22,640
walkers and smokers were out there day

1753
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:25,490
in and day out when you move down to the

1754
01:17:30,970 --> 01:17:27,590
mid-atlantic states and go all the way

1755
01:17:33,610 --> 01:17:30,980
across the country you see that middle

1756
01:17:36,580 --> 01:17:33,620
peak in July and August start going back

1757
01:17:38,110 --> 01:17:36,590
down it starts flattening out and by the

1758
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:38,120
time you get to the southern states it's

1759
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:40,850
a statistically flat thing sort of like

1760
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:46,250
a picket fence so yeah it is it is it is

1761
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,310
latitude dependent and driven to some

1762
01:17:54,610 --> 01:17:52,880
degree and it's warmer weather drives it

1763
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:54,620
but I'll give you an example you go to

1764
01:17:59,770 --> 01:17:57,440
Alaska and all the sightings are January

1765
01:18:02,620 --> 01:17:59,780
February March April and then they start

1766
01:18:04,270 --> 01:18:02,630
trailing off in May June July August is

1767
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:04,280
like nothing and then it goes starts

1768
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:06,620
going back up again it's White Nights up

1769
01:18:11,290 --> 01:18:08,750
there during that summer months and I've

1770
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:11,300
talked to two MUFON investigators from

1771
01:18:15,730 --> 01:18:13,370
Alaska and we agree on that

1772
01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:15,740
that was a surprise we didn't know there

1773
01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:17,540
was a latitude difference and we didn't

1774
01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:20,830
know this seemed seem to be driven by

1775
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:26,630
population temperate weather and time of

1776
01:18:34,090 --> 01:18:32,330
day ok time of day 65 to 75% of the

1777
01:18:37,089 --> 01:18:34,100
sightings happen between 5 o'clock at

1778
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,099
night and 10:30

1779
01:18:42,259 --> 01:18:39,719
okay and then the rest of it is this

1780
01:18:45,139 --> 01:18:42,269
little dinky trickle of sightings

1781
01:18:47,179 --> 01:18:45,149
throughout the rest of the day there's a

1782
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:47,189
little dip between 6 o'clock in the

1783
01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:48,780
morning and about 9 o'clock in the

1784
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:50,219
morning it's morning drive time it's

1785
01:18:55,779 --> 01:18:52,130
almost non-existent

1786
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:55,789
that's surprised the heck out of us

1787
01:19:00,020 --> 01:18:58,050
daytime sightings are pretty interesting

1788
01:19:01,699 --> 01:19:00,030
there aren't as many of them as there

1789
01:19:04,939 --> 01:19:01,709
are obviously the nighttime sightings

1790
01:19:06,679 --> 01:19:04,949
that's not really surprising but have

1791
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:06,689
you taken a closer look at there any

1792
01:19:11,089 --> 01:19:09,179
kind of patterns in the daytime data

1793
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:11,099
when things are a little bit lower but

1794
01:19:14,029 --> 01:19:12,659
there's still some numbers there you

1795
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:14,039
still might be able to get some

1796
01:19:21,799 --> 01:19:19,409
interesting information from that batch

1797
01:19:23,959 --> 01:19:21,809
of sightings what he did there's nothing

1798
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:23,969
there was nothing remarkable there okay

1799
01:19:30,049 --> 01:19:28,010
okay now we did make one discovery a

1800
01:19:34,969 --> 01:19:30,059
medicine to say because we only did it

1801
01:19:37,819 --> 01:19:34,979
for four states okay we another son

1802
01:19:40,939 --> 01:19:37,829
another scientist did this with my data

1803
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,949
okay he had a latitude and longitude

1804
01:19:44,899 --> 01:19:42,360
information and we did it for four

1805
01:19:46,609 --> 01:19:44,909
states and and and it's I know how Tom

1806
01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:46,619
Hanks assuming this is because that like

1807
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:50,369
I said I just got done doing it for 666

1808
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:52,260
hundred records I just got done doing it

1809
01:19:57,139 --> 01:19:55,289
and it took me two weeks he did a

1810
01:19:58,699 --> 01:19:57,149
similar thing and it's wife told him if

1811
01:20:04,159 --> 01:19:58,709
he did one more state he be divorced

1812
01:20:06,259 --> 01:20:04,169
okay so what we did we wanted to see do

1813
01:20:08,419 --> 01:20:06,269
you know what do you know what satiereal

1814
01:20:09,649 --> 01:20:08,429
time is i do yes

1815
01:20:10,819 --> 01:20:09,659
you want to explain that to the folks

1816
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:10,829
you could probably do it better than I

1817
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:12,659
can but I don't what it is yeah okay

1818
01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:14,550
we all think we have a 24 hour day

1819
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:18,329
actually satiereal time is a 23 hour 56

1820
01:20:22,069 --> 01:20:19,530
minute day but everybody said well

1821
01:20:26,569 --> 01:20:22,079
that's 24 hours no it's 23 hours 56

1822
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:26,579
minutes and that means the started was

1823
01:20:34,759 --> 01:20:32,340
overhead not right this minute now we'll

1824
01:20:36,529 --> 01:20:34,769
be overhead tomorrow 4 minutes earlier

1825
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:36,539
and the day after that former it's

1826
01:20:40,089 --> 01:20:38,729
earlier than that okay it's a moving

1827
01:20:43,729 --> 01:20:40,099
target

1828
01:20:46,939 --> 01:20:43,739
so I I asked the astronomer professor I

1829
01:20:49,939 --> 01:20:46,949
said I wonder if there's a there's a

1830
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,949
particular star time that the

1831
01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:52,260
settings are that's such a great

1832
01:20:57,530 --> 01:20:55,739
question okay so he thought it was too

1833
01:21:02,030 --> 01:20:57,540
so he went worked on the whole thing in

1834
01:21:03,979 --> 01:21:02,040
it scared the snot out of both the

1835
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:03,989
answer yeah there is

1836
01:21:08,150 --> 01:21:05,910
well we want to know what it is Cheryl

1837
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:08,160
yeah yeah just to jump in really quick

1838
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:09,810
about Siddi real-time there was also

1839
01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:12,810
some research related to remote viewing

1840
01:21:16,669 --> 01:21:14,160
this is getting a little bit off-topic

1841
01:21:18,650 --> 01:21:16,679
but I think the severe real-time is an

1842
01:21:21,380 --> 01:21:18,660
interesting subject that the remote

1843
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:21,390
viewing results were better and I

1844
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:25,170
believe was a 1,350 hours roughly 18 30

1845
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:29,760
30 30 okay and and and and 13:30

1846
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:33,330
basically it's a two-hour window either

1847
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:35,880
side of 13:30 it's not okay that's what

1848
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:39,090
it bakes that works out - yeah go ahead

1849
01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:41,310
I was just waiting - what I see nice

1850
01:21:49,820 --> 01:21:47,030
when I say 13:30 I'm talking about 1:30

1851
01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:49,830
astronomical 1:13 afternoon astronomical

1852
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:50,940
time is what I'm talking about

1853
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:52,620
now that could be in the morning one

1854
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:53,910
part of the year it can be in the

1855
01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:56,280
evening or a mid morning a different

1856
01:22:02,000 --> 01:21:58,890
time of the year okay it's a constantly

1857
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:02,010
moving target so the idea okay and we're

1858
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:05,570
gonna call that the anomalous cognition

1859
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,179
window okay well we thought maybe maybe

1860
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:11,040
maybe people are seeing them during the

1861
01:22:17,050 --> 01:22:13,530
anomalous cognition window nope not even

1862
01:22:20,090 --> 01:22:17,060
close where they're seeing them was at

1863
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:20,100
1830 and that's when the galaxy is

1864
01:22:29,300 --> 01:22:24,330
directly overhead oh my gosh and it was

1865
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:29,310
consistent with six states which six

1866
01:22:35,660 --> 01:22:33,510
states we did two small ones we did Iowa

1867
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:35,670
and Wyoming they said were being there

1868
01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:40,230
like number 24 and number 50 and 58 type

1869
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:41,460
of thing they're really down there to

1870
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:45,540
nothing and he did California and it was

1871
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:47,489
one of the state that he did but the

1872
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:49,739
bottom line is the peak of it was always

1873
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,000
at around the 1830 1800 window mm-hmm

1874
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,920
that is fat and that do you have any

1875
01:23:00,080 --> 01:22:58,080
ideas on why that might be or you just

1876
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:00,090
kind of just still taking in the

1877
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:02,910
information well and we've heard that we

1878
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:03,660
I've told that

1879
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:05,880
number of people and the the common

1880
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:09,810
suggestion is maybe the the the portal

1881
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:11,310
that they wink out of when you're doing

1882
01:23:18,650 --> 01:23:13,050
there like subspace travel or something

1883
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:18,660
whatever you know in 1830 means the

1884
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:22,440
galaxy is overhead your location oh okay

1885
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:25,170
so maybe they see more of these things

1886
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:27,150
because they're they're popping out of

1887
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:31,050
that that that thing out of that portal

1888
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:32,670
or so that we we don't know we don't

1889
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:33,810
know what the deal is

1890
01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:35,610
we can call it we can call it portal

1891
01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:37,560
just to have a some kind of terminology

1892
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:39,960
to refer to it

1893
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:43,800
it's okay yeah all in with speculation

1894
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:48,570
so long as we've got something to that

1895
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:50,610
at a UFO conference and most people just

1896
01:23:59,630 --> 01:23:57,060
sniffed I'm very disappointed about the

1897
01:24:01,490 --> 01:23:59,640
amount of people who said I was reading

1898
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:01,500
some stuff today and the people are

1899
01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:03,770
saying oh all her stuff is just numbers

1900
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:07,980
no that's not true at all and I was also

1901
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:10,680
going to ask you Cheryl you've done so

1902
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:16,050
much for the UFO and other phenomena

1903
01:24:22,730 --> 01:24:20,010
communities what other endeavors do you

1904
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:22,740
have on your plate what do you have for

1905
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:26,520
the future there's a television program

1906
01:24:30,140 --> 01:24:27,120
in the works

1907
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:30,150
mm-hm thank I was talking to my producer

1908
01:24:37,220 --> 01:24:33,540
two days ago and it's an la-based

1909
01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:37,230
producer and we've got several networks

1910
01:24:41,630 --> 01:24:39,720
bidding on program and Linda and I are

1911
01:24:44,660 --> 01:24:41,640
the primary consultants for it and

1912
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,670
they're basing it on our book and I

1913
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:46,440
can't get into it deeper than that but

1914
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:49,770
right now but you know a month I might

1915
01:24:52,190 --> 01:24:50,970
be able to tell you a whole bunch but

1916
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:52,200
right now I can't tell you more than

1917
01:24:56,750 --> 01:24:55,110
that but but I knew I do know one thing

1918
01:24:59,660 --> 01:24:56,760
there see there were six or seven

1919
01:25:02,840 --> 01:24:59,670
networks that were bidding for it at the

1920
01:25:05,060 --> 01:25:02,850
last call and there was a an eighth

1921
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:05,070
Network death no matter who bought it

1922
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:06,450
they wanted to buy the international

1923
01:25:15,650 --> 01:25:12,390
rights okay and it's kind of fallout

1924
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:15,660
from Project Blue Book all the networks

1925
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:17,350
are scrambling to have some kind of

1926
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:22,780
content to satisfy the audience that is

1927
01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:24,970
going to be very interested both in

1928
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:30,060
ancient aliens and project Bluebook huh

1929
01:25:34,410 --> 01:25:31,590
yeah

1930
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:34,420
have you been watching Project Blue Book

1931
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:36,790
the drama series by John Street channel

1932
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:39,070
I just wanted to let you know right away

1933
01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:42,460
I have not been giving very good reviews

1934
01:25:50,130 --> 01:25:45,700
of the shows up for hahahaha Frank knows

1935
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:50,140
this for the reason being that the shows

1936
01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:52,450
yes they are drama based but it would be

1937
01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:54,760
nice if they used a little bit of data

1938
01:26:02,160 --> 01:25:59,400
from the actual bloopo cases themselves

1939
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:02,170
though they do sort of at the end of the

1940
01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:06,460
program yeah I like too many people in

1941
01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:08,860
the UFO community are asking to drink

1942
01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:10,990
from the fire hose they did a dramatic

1943
01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:13,720
series based on the facts we have to

1944
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:17,200
slowly educate the rest of our friends

1945
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:20,650
neighbors and I have to take I actually

1946
01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:22,270
don't agree with you on that I'll tell

1947
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:29,830
you why people I've talked to from that

1948
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:32,500
I have spoken to it lengths have told me

1949
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:37,600
and these are men women kids people from

1950
01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:39,910
all different backgrounds all walks of

1951
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,100
life have told me they're more than

1952
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:43,840
ready they feel like they're being

1953
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:46,450
treated like babies that they're beyond

1954
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:48,580
this kind of stuff

1955
01:26:53,070 --> 01:26:50,500
meaning the slow drip drip of

1956
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:53,080
information they want to know more and

1957
01:26:59,100 --> 01:26:56,800
they want to know it now we're getting a

1958
01:27:01,530 --> 01:26:59,110
lot of mixed reviews regarding Project

1959
01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:01,540
Blue Book from friends and people we

1960
01:27:07,380 --> 01:27:05,350
don't know who are saying yeah it's a

1961
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:07,390
neat show that's sort of a take off from

1962
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:11,800
the x-files but it'd be nice to become

1963
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:15,490
more educated in the show itself about

1964
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:18,640
Project Blue Book cases and that is the

1965
01:27:27,210 --> 01:27:23,770
main complaint we're hearing okay I

1966
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:27,220
disagree with you 100% but I'll tell you

1967
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:29,170
what I'll tell you why yeah we want we

1968
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:30,790
want somebody to control

1969
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:32,770
what's the process when we were working

1970
01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:34,210
on it the barrese is where I got my

1971
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:36,040
coffee at the time I was working in a

1972
01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:36,610
bank

1973
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,350
well I've been there billing department

1974
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:40,480
and boy yeah I learned how to work with

1975
01:27:45,210 --> 01:27:42,940
data at Lockheed Martin I learned how to

1976
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:45,220
really manipulate the data working for a

1977
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:50,050
bank and I'd be down on Monday morning

1978
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,670
the baristas knew I was working on the

1979
01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:53,440
project and said hey what state did you

1980
01:27:56,910 --> 01:27:55,300
work on this weekend oh I worked on this

1981
01:27:59,130 --> 01:27:56,920
state well when it came to New York

1982
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,140
State one day the guy said well what'd

1983
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:01,440
you find out when New York State I said

1984
01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:05,350
5141 in the 15 years Wow and I felt

1985
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:07,030
somebody cap on my back and turned

1986
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:08,560
around this little lady sitting there

1987
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:10,870
and said did I understand you correctly

1988
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:13,380
did you say we New York State's had like

1989
01:28:19,230 --> 01:28:16,540
5,000 over 5,000 UFO sightings and I

1990
01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:19,240
said yes we have in the last 15 years we

1991
01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:20,980
have we watched the color drained from

1992
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:22,870
her face and we had to help her to a

1993
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:27,970
chair okay I have had I have had other

1994
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:31,630
people either almost faint I've had

1995
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:37,780
fully grown men just absolutely lose it

1996
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:40,840
and this stuff the copy of the book that

1997
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:43,450
we left at the at the coffee shop

1998
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:46,060
it's dog-eared to death okay from what I

1999
01:28:49,580 --> 01:28:47,350
understand in fact I'm about ready to

2000
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:49,590
give him a new one because the chart got

2001
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:52,420
destroyed right now but there's there

2002
01:28:55,620 --> 01:28:53,920
are people who look at this thing this

2003
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,630
is this can't be legit this can't be

2004
01:28:59,970 --> 01:28:57,120
real oh my god

2005
01:29:02,430 --> 01:28:59,980
that offends my entire life I mean this

2006
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:02,440
can't be real that's those are the

2007
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:04,570
people that need to be educated a little

2008
01:29:12,690 --> 01:29:10,570
bit more gradually yeah I've got a quick

2009
01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:12,700
question from the chat kind of

2010
01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:15,400
interesting I don't know how much this

2011
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:18,790
comes up but someone William wants to

2012
01:29:24,660 --> 01:29:22,840
know if these cases that you get is

2013
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:24,670
there the separate field I guess you

2014
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:28,330
would say for folks who have sightings

2015
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:30,940
and they also made calls to local law

2016
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,310
enforcement I kind of like a 9-1-1 call

2017
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:35,920
is that included at all in the databases

2018
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:38,410
they took that extra step to report it

2019
01:29:43,230 --> 01:29:41,410
to some kind of local authority I think

2020
01:29:44,610 --> 01:29:43,240
they did maybe you know the part that

2021
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:44,620
has the text about the actual

2022
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:46,810
citing okay that's the first thing i

2023
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:51,040
erase I'm not looking at cases I'm

2024
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:53,290
looking at what when and where I'm

2025
01:29:58,740 --> 01:29:55,810
looking at magnitudes understood okay oh

2026
01:30:00,570 --> 01:29:58,750
okay I have a question on you know yeah

2027
01:30:02,580 --> 01:30:00,580
I got a lot of people yelling at me

2028
01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:02,590
about that I had somebody challenging me

2029
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:06,190
some I'm on controls oh we want your

2030
01:30:12,690 --> 01:30:08,950
best twenty five cases haha you know and

2031
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:12,700
I said me and Lou L me and Holly and ro

2032
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:16,090
Reyes from a UFO C set her and tried to

2033
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:16,710
tell him

2034
01:30:22,020 --> 01:30:19,870
Sherrill doesn't study cases Cheryl

2035
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:22,030
doesn't that cases she's looking at

2036
01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:25,870
higher data you know oh they don't get

2037
01:30:30,090 --> 01:30:27,880
it okay that's it

2038
01:30:32,190 --> 01:30:30,100
do you have anything else that jumped

2039
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:32,200
out at you besides the correlation with

2040
01:30:38,670 --> 01:30:34,750
city real-time anything else off the top

2041
01:30:41,370 --> 01:30:38,680
of your head on that I I've got a lot of

2042
01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:41,380
information all of this all of the

2043
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:44,200
shapes have been declining over the last

2044
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:48,490
six years drastically except three and

2045
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:53,530
they are on the drastic increase what

2046
01:31:00,750 --> 01:30:56,970
are the three shapes Saturn shaped

2047
01:31:03,450 --> 01:31:00,760
teardrop shaped and egg shaped and my

2048
01:31:06,150 --> 01:31:03,460
correlation is this whenever the Saturn

2049
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:06,160
shapes show up so two egg and teardrop

2050
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:09,100
so my argument is that the shadow shape

2051
01:31:13,950 --> 01:31:11,590
is the mother base ship the teardrops

2052
01:31:16,230 --> 01:31:13,960
are like a shuttle the canario a number

2053
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:16,240
of individuals and the the egg shapes

2054
01:31:25,530 --> 01:31:19,320
this is your is your little two-seater

2055
01:31:29,310 --> 01:31:25,540
scout ship okay and the one dropping or

2056
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:29,320
the the triangle shapes what else what

2057
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:30,070
am I missing here

2058
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:33,370
everything pick anything else that

2059
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:35,140
they've fallen off like a cigar-shaped

2060
01:31:42,810 --> 01:31:41,110
okay okay okay so I'm sorry there's all

2061
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:42,820
kinds of shapes I'm just gonna mention

2062
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:45,850
them there's blimp cone cylinder egg

2063
01:31:54,510 --> 01:31:49,210
Saturn like tear dropped boomerang

2064
01:31:58,020 --> 01:31:54,520
chevron diamond fireballs missile circle

2065
01:32:01,950 --> 01:31:58,030
disk flash square rectangular since

2066
01:32:04,379 --> 01:32:01,960
cross dumbbell oval star-like and cheryl

2067
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:04,389
of course knows all of these because she

2068
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:09,210
deals with this on a regular Cheryl I

2069
01:32:11,850 --> 01:32:11,650
thought they'll hold that phone no go

2070
01:32:15,060 --> 01:32:11,860
ahead

2071
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:15,070
okay Linda's argument here is the truth

2072
01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:18,369
is in the shapes we did a study here a

2073
01:32:22,350 --> 01:32:20,230
couple months ago where we took the

2074
01:32:24,689 --> 01:32:22,360
whole list of them and then we took out

2075
01:32:26,459 --> 01:32:24,699
everything that could be in anywhere

2076
01:32:28,140 --> 01:32:26,469
near conventional associated with a

2077
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:28,150
conventional aircraft cigar shapes

2078
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:29,530
things like that okay

2079
01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:31,449
could be a airplane from the side that

2080
01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:32,980
kind of thing even took out triangles

2081
01:32:37,470 --> 01:32:35,260
and boomerangs because they could be

2082
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:37,480
confused with b-2 bombers and stuff like

2083
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:42,010
that tr-3b everybody tells me okay I've

2084
01:32:46,350 --> 01:32:44,530
seen one of these triangle things you

2085
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:46,360
know two stories deep two football

2086
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:48,250
fields long moving along at a leisurely

2087
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:50,050
fifty miles an hour

2088
01:32:56,580 --> 01:32:54,610
silently that but it was years ago so

2089
01:32:58,799 --> 01:32:56,590
the argument is we took only the most

2090
01:33:02,910 --> 01:32:58,809
exotic shapes the circles the squares

2091
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:02,920
that the the the egg shapes things like

2092
01:33:09,330 --> 01:33:07,449
that and we looked at those very

2093
01:33:10,919 --> 01:33:09,340
carefully and the funny thing about them

2094
01:33:13,470 --> 01:33:10,929
is if you look at them in the scale of

2095
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:13,480
the numbers imagine you're walking

2096
01:33:19,950 --> 01:33:15,730
through some some some tall grass that

2097
01:33:21,390 --> 01:33:19,960
maybe goes up to your waist okay and the

2098
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:21,400
analogy is you're walking through the

2099
01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:24,730
tall grass that's all the other

2100
01:33:30,510 --> 01:33:28,750
sightings combined okay but in those

2101
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:30,520
exotic sightings that are almost

2102
01:33:36,209 --> 01:33:33,250
non-existent some of them they went

2103
01:33:38,939 --> 01:33:36,219
along with only one or two or three

2104
01:33:41,310 --> 01:33:38,949
sightings a year for years and then

2105
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,320
about eight years ago they started

2106
01:33:47,609 --> 01:33:45,280
ticking upward okay we had one that went

2107
01:33:49,950 --> 01:33:47,619
along at less than five sightings a year

2108
01:33:52,649 --> 01:33:49,960
and then about five years ago it went up

2109
01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:52,659
to ten it went up thirty it went up to

2110
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:54,820
fifty and now it's in the hundreds okay

2111
01:34:00,270 --> 01:33:57,760
I showed that the Lou Alice Ando and I

2112
01:34:01,799 --> 01:34:00,280
said is this a new player in town and he

2113
01:34:07,379 --> 01:34:01,809
just looked at it was a very troubled

2114
01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:07,389
look hmm that's intriguing I had kind of

2115
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:11,960
it's a question about one of your ground

2116
01:34:16,810 --> 01:34:13,610
regarding New York State you opposed

2117
01:34:19,630 --> 01:34:16,820
sightings by Saturday hours it's just a

2118
01:34:22,030 --> 01:34:19,640
small question but it's the graph you

2119
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:22,040
gave us based on four thousand six

2120
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:24,380
hundred fifty eight time measurable UFO

2121
01:34:31,150 --> 01:34:27,770
sighting reports between 2001 and 2017

2122
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,160
it also indicates 77% of UFO sightings

2123
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:33,440
occur within and this is where my

2124
01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:38,210
question is it says occur within 5 p.m.

2125
01:34:46,990 --> 01:34:41,120
to 1100 hours

2126
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:47,000
so is it 5 p.m. to 11 p.m. it probably

2127
01:34:52,750 --> 01:34:50,480
should have said 2300 but ok ok I just

2128
01:34:54,430 --> 01:34:52,760
wanted to clear up that that detail

2129
01:34:57,970 --> 01:34:54,440
right there cuz that's kind of important

2130
01:35:02,650 --> 01:34:57,980
to know that it would be 11 p.m. on that

2131
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:02,660
graph yeah okay I did have a question

2132
01:35:08,890 --> 01:35:06,410
from a listener he wants to know Cheryl

2133
01:35:11,230 --> 01:35:08,900
since the tic-tock encounter and there

2134
01:35:13,900 --> 01:35:11,240
is a huge push for service men and women

2135
01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:13,910
to open up about their sightings does

2136
01:35:22,630 --> 01:35:15,950
this interest you in being the leader to

2137
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:22,640
track this info no ok real quick did you

2138
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:24,110
have any sightings while you were in the

2139
01:35:28,300 --> 01:35:26,630
service either branch yeah I had

2140
01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:28,310
sightings ok

2141
01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:33,470
nothing I'm gonna talk about ok I can

2142
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:37,430
tell you about one Christmas Eve 1971 I

2143
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:39,230
was in camera in baby at Nam I was

2144
01:35:42,730 --> 01:35:41,120
walking in but 11:30 at night I'm

2145
01:35:44,530 --> 01:35:42,740
walking to the base chapel to go to

2146
01:35:47,290 --> 01:35:44,540
midnight mass with a friend of mine for

2147
01:35:49,390 --> 01:35:47,300
something to do and we're looking out

2148
01:35:51,370 --> 01:35:49,400
and I'm looking at the sky I'm looking

2149
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:51,380
at a constellation Taurus we saw this

2150
01:35:57,130 --> 01:35:53,330
thing streaking across the skies that

2151
01:35:58,360 --> 01:35:57,140
man jet and then it stopped and we sat

2152
01:36:00,610 --> 01:35:58,370
there and looked at it and said Jets

2153
01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:00,620
don't stop on a dime and then it said

2154
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:02,150
and then it started dancing around like

2155
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,330
a fairy I said okay Tom watch this thing

2156
01:36:10,050 --> 01:36:07,520
it's going to take off like a like

2157
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:10,060
lickety-split about two moments later

2158
01:36:15,550 --> 01:36:13,910
gone okay neither one of us had her

2159
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:15,560
minds on midnight mass when he got to

2160
01:36:24,050 --> 01:36:20,000
the chapel I didn't tell anybody that

2161
01:36:28,970 --> 01:36:27,170
I was much a victim to the don't tell

2162
01:36:31,940 --> 01:36:28,980
anybody what you see that thing that's

2163
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:31,950
anybody else now you're going to be next

2164
01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:34,050
month out in Laughlin Nevada like a lot

2165
01:36:39,230 --> 01:36:35,880
of people that we've had on recently and

2166
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:39,240
have coming up in the future tell us how

2167
01:36:42,230 --> 01:36:40,800
are you getting excited for that you got

2168
01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:42,240
you're good to go you're ready to go you

2169
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:48,120
have everything together okay I've got

2170
01:36:53,150 --> 01:36:50,250
the general presentation done because

2171
01:36:56,660 --> 01:36:53,160
they've asked me to do data mixed in

2172
01:36:59,150 --> 01:36:56,670
with a conversation about why we get so

2173
01:37:01,340 --> 01:36:59,160
much pushback from the media as a

2174
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:01,350
journalist I can talk to that so I'm

2175
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:03,930
using similar slides that I used that

2176
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:06,210
the University with these journalism

2177
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:08,130
schools I'm gonna thin it down a bunch

2178
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:09,450
and I'm putting a little bit more of my

2179
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:11,790
charts and graphs in and then since I

2180
01:37:17,180 --> 01:37:14,580
got 2018 date and now right here at my

2181
01:37:19,190 --> 01:37:17,190
fingertips I'm gonna go ahead and put it

2182
01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:19,200
just the I'm not even gonna try and

2183
01:37:24,890 --> 01:37:21,900
merge the 2018 with the master database

2184
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:24,900
yet because it's not ready so I'm just

2185
01:37:28,820 --> 01:37:27,720
gonna do my oh by the way here's the

2186
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:28,830
latest and greatest hot off the

2187
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:31,110
spreadsheet and just do a separate

2188
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:34,260
presentation about 2018 okay but the

2189
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:35,940
numbers the numbers overall had been

2190
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:37,710
dropping over the last five years and

2191
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:42,030
this is the lowest number since 2010 any

2192
01:37:48,170 --> 01:37:46,410
ideas on why that might be if all the

2193
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:48,180
mansplain errs on the internet are

2194
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:50,370
correct see they've left this because

2195
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:52,490
we're going to have a space force

2196
01:37:56,690 --> 01:37:55,410
they're sick of us they ran out of grant

2197
01:37:59,810 --> 01:37:56,700
money and they're going back to our home

2198
01:38:03,110 --> 01:37:59,820
planet I've heard probably a hundred

2199
01:38:07,070 --> 01:38:03,120
different answers okay I have no idea

2200
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,080
I'm beginning to think it is a natural

2201
01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:10,560
that part of a natural cycle that or

2202
01:38:16,190 --> 01:38:14,190
somebody is preventing national UFO

2203
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:16,200
Reporting Center from getting sightings

2204
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:20,190
setting information okay I got one last

2205
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:22,980
thought on that oh please or all these

2206
01:38:30,830 --> 01:38:26,460
years some nefarious agency has been

2207
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:30,840
padding the UFO directories to

2208
01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:34,050
distract people okay that our

2209
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:35,910
researchers and investigators to

2210
01:38:43,060 --> 01:38:39,450
distract them and maybe since the last

2211
01:38:48,230 --> 01:38:43,070
couple of years they've done this some

2212
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:48,240
okay I'm sorry I even harder to see all

2213
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:51,480
okay you got a wrap-up then yes okay I

2214
01:38:56,570 --> 01:38:53,970
understood not a problem Cheryl thanks a

2215
01:38:58,370 --> 01:38:56,580
lot for coming on yeah by all means feel

2216
01:38:59,870 --> 01:38:58,380
free to drop out and chant and I will

2217
01:39:03,070 --> 01:38:59,880
wrap up here this was great I appreciate

2218
01:39:08,540 --> 01:39:07,160
Frank that was fantastic she had the

2219
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:08,550
opportunity you know I was actually

2220
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:11,250
going to ask her another question I'll

2221
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,890
tell you what it was that there's a list

2222
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:16,400
of UFO organizations around the world

2223
01:39:23,540 --> 01:39:19,710
few of them are Belarus Estonia France

2224
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:23,550
Norway Sweden Russia Turkey the UK and

2225
01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:26,790
actually a lot more and if she actually

2226
01:39:33,890 --> 01:39:29,480
compiles any data related to those

2227
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:33,900
countries but anyway yes that was such a

2228
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:36,690
an extremely informative interview

2229
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:40,320
I flew Cheryl's a great interview at a

2230
01:39:45,620 --> 01:39:43,650
fantastic time and I'm really I was kind

2231
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:45,630
of dumbfounded by that Saudi riyal time

2232
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:47,370
correlation there I thought that was

2233
01:39:52,340 --> 01:39:49,050
really interesting so it was great

2234
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:52,350
having her on oh you're back okay I'm

2235
01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:52,710
sorry

2236
01:39:58,100 --> 01:39:55,980
great so then can I go ahead and ask you

2237
01:39:59,690 --> 01:39:58,110
my question yes go ahead

2238
01:40:01,880 --> 01:39:59,700
great the question I have for you is

2239
01:40:03,980 --> 01:40:01,890
there's a list of UFO organizations

2240
01:40:08,090 --> 01:40:03,990
around the world I'll just go ahead and

2241
01:40:10,610 --> 01:40:08,100
repeat it and a few them are in Belarus

2242
01:40:14,780 --> 01:40:10,620
Estonia France Norway Sweden Russia

2243
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:14,790
Turkey the UK you know UFO organizations

2244
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:16,470
that are all around the world in

2245
01:40:23,890 --> 01:40:19,110
different countries do you ever compile

2246
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:27,170
I've tried I'm having a little trouble

2247
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:31,020
interfacing with them so we're thinking

2248
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:32,400
about doing that especially if the

2249
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:35,550
television show goes we're going to get

2250
01:40:39,530 --> 01:40:36,900
an intern in here we're going to start

2251
01:40:41,330 --> 01:40:39,540
trying to reach out to some of them we

2252
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:41,340
did try to I don't want to go any

2253
01:40:46,729 --> 01:40:44,670
further than that I know the data from

2254
01:40:50,450 --> 01:40:46,739
fork and move find its international

2255
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:50,460
related is Inc vastly incomplete so

2256
01:40:55,610 --> 01:40:53,820
that's all I can say okay and then I

2257
01:40:58,130 --> 01:40:55,620
just want to mention an interesting

2258
01:41:02,620 --> 01:40:58,140
website that I know you're more than

2259
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:02,630
aware of and that is UFO stalker calm

2260
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:08,489
that's UFO stalker calm SQL okay we are

2261
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:10,770
a lot of people you know like Frank and

2262
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,020
myself and others like to use it we're

2263
01:41:17,959 --> 01:41:15,840
not quite at your level Cheryl you know

2264
01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:17,969
an expert level regarding compiling data

2265
01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:20,340
but it's sort of the go-to website we

2266
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:22,260
like to go to in order to get a little

2267
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,810
bit of information do you ever use that

2268
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:27,360
website Cheryl I haven't touched it in

2269
01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:29,250
four years I used to look at it all the

2270
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:32,670
time when I tell you what if when I was

2271
01:41:37,090 --> 01:41:34,710
reporting sightings more heavily in my

2272
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:37,100
column I used to look at it a great deal

2273
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:39,810
so I was probably good on it up right up

2274
01:41:45,470 --> 01:41:42,810
until we did the book and these days I

2275
01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:45,480
write pretty much disclosure I write

2276
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:48,870
pretty much stats I write what's going

2277
01:41:53,419 --> 01:41:51,090
on different places and that's that's

2278
01:41:56,330 --> 01:41:53,429
about it I'm not really into reporting

2279
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,340
sightings anymore okay and by the way

2280
01:42:00,880 --> 01:41:58,560
you did mention disclosure do you mind

2281
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:00,890
talking just a little bit about that

2282
01:42:07,370 --> 01:42:04,290
well wait what you mean by that well

2283
01:42:11,900 --> 01:42:07,380
disclosure be nice to have congressional

2284
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:14,510
okay and it's getting uh starting to get

2285
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:17,460
a lot of traction and I hope that god

2286
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,410
they do get public hearings about it I

2287
01:42:25,610 --> 01:42:22,320
really do it's long overdue my two

2288
01:42:27,229 --> 01:42:25,620
senators ignored my stuff they reported

2289
01:42:29,540 --> 01:42:27,239
they told me that if they didn't tell me

2290
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:29,550
they told me they they lost my book you

2291
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:32,520
know that would be Chuck Schumer and

2292
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:35,280
Kirsten Gillibrand I believe yep

2293
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:39,090
Joe Brandt's people won't talk to me at

2294
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:41,130
least the Schumer's people work with me

2295
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,770
they said well the book can be the book

2296
01:42:47,540 --> 01:42:45,360
might have gotten lost in the mail at

2297
01:42:49,450 --> 01:42:47,550
the Congressional mail office sister

2298
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:49,460
you're telling me I can't write a

2299
01:42:53,660 --> 01:42:51,630
reliable path of mail to my

2300
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:53,670
congressional representative and he

2301
01:42:57,820 --> 01:42:56,489
started backpedaling and I said well can

2302
01:42:59,320 --> 01:42:57,830
you send me another four

2303
01:43:00,610 --> 01:42:59,330
was my four-page letter he says can you

2304
01:43:02,740 --> 01:43:00,620
send me another copy of the letter and

2305
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,750
says yeah my original one was stapled to

2306
01:43:06,730 --> 01:43:04,400
a two and a half pound book tell me how

2307
01:43:08,650 --> 01:43:06,740
that got lost you know so since that

2308
01:43:10,750 --> 01:43:08,660
time they had me they had me coming I

2309
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:10,760
literally had to walk a copy over to

2310
01:43:14,740 --> 01:43:13,430
their office here in Syracuse but I'm

2311
01:43:17,860 --> 01:43:14,750
not too impressed they don't take my

2312
01:43:20,110 --> 01:43:17,870
phone calls either so until you know

2313
01:43:22,420 --> 01:43:20,120
somebody said to me maybe if this whole

2314
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:22,430
congressional investigation thing guts

2315
01:43:24,580 --> 01:43:23,000
going on

2316
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:24,590
maybe they'll reach out to me since I've

2317
01:43:28,990 --> 01:43:26,450
got the only book of statistics and they

2318
01:43:30,850 --> 01:43:29,000
know the Congressional information

2319
01:43:42,460 --> 01:43:30,860
office has a copy of my book because

2320
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:42,470
they bought one blast that really did I

2321
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:44,450
appreciate it Cheryl thanks a lot my

2322
01:43:54,340 --> 01:43:51,790
all right so let's wrap this up I think

2323
01:43:56,170 --> 01:43:54,350
it was a I had a great time I did I had

2324
01:43:59,860 --> 01:43:56,180
a fantastic time Craig thank you very

2325
01:44:01,840 --> 01:43:59,870
much for problem Cheryl as well so yeah

2326
01:44:04,570 --> 01:44:01,850
let's let's wrap this up we'll be back

2327
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:04,580
next week with Peter Robbins it's gonna

2328
01:44:09,670 --> 01:44:06,500
be a lot of fun talking to Peter he's

2329
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:09,680
always got a lot of stuff and it'll be a

2330
01:44:16,030 --> 01:44:12,110
jam-packed show I'm sure that chant and

2331
01:44:17,980 --> 01:44:16,040
everybody else have a great weekend yes

2332
01:44:19,330 --> 01:44:17,990
have a great weekend Frank and thank you

2333
01:44:22,030 --> 01:44:19,340
very much I look forward to interviewing

2334
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:22,040
Peter Robbins as well your thing okay so

2335
01:44:28,540 --> 01:44:25,340
everybody thanks for joining in and we